Caleb Woodbridge, Christian writer and apologist who roots objective morality in God’s nature. Thomas Walker-Werth, Objectivist thinker and editor arguing Ayn Rand’s reason-based moral objectivity. They clash over whether morality comes from divine nature or human reason. Short, sharp debates cover human dignity, rational self-interest, faith versus evidence, obligation, and visions of a flourishing society.
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Ethics as Objective Facts Discerned By Reason
Ayn Rand's objectivism treats existence and ethics as objective facts discoverable by reason.
Thomas Walker-Werth explains ethics derive from integrating perceptual evidence into non-contradictory concepts, following an Aristotelian method.
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Objective Morality Grounded In God's Nature
Caleb Woodbridge agrees morality is objective but grounds it in God's nature rather than human life.
He argues human dignity flows from being made in God's image, making divine nature the moral standard.
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Value Stems From The Conceptual Faculty
Objectivism locates value in the faculty to conceptualize and pursue values, with humans uniquely able to hold abstract values.
Walker-Werth links rights and dignity to possession of conceptual faculties and argues rational self-interest yields broad social benefits.
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Can morality be objective without God? In this thought-provoking episode of Unbelievable, host John Nelson brings together Christian writer Caleb Woodbridge and Objectivist thinker Thomas Walker-Werth for a deep clash over reason, self-interest, human dignity and the basis of right and wrong. Is morality grounded in God’s nature, or can human reason alone discover universal moral truths? Drawing on Christian theology, Ayn Rand’s Objectivism, Aristotle, Pascal and questions of sacrifice, flourishing and human value, the conversation explores whether morality is something we receive, discover or construct. Along the way, they tackle original sin, rational self-interest, charity, suffering, obligation and the future vision each worldview offers for society. If you’ve ever wondered whether ethics needs God, or whether secular reason can carry the full weight of morality, this debate will give you plenty to chew on.
Thomas Walker-Werth is managing editor of The Objective Standard, a journal of culture and philosophy, and author of Reason for Living: A Rational Approach to Living Your Best Life. He also writes on science fiction as Thomas W. Anderson.
Caleb Woodbridge is a Christian writer, editor and cultural apologist. He writes at Bigger on the Inside and hosts the Imaginative Discipleship podcast.
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