EXTENDED DISCUSSION: 'A National Plan for Music Education' with Dr Elizabeth MacGregor and Dr Viv John

Wales and England have had different education systems for more than 25 years now, so it’s a weird coincidence that both countries published a ‘National Plan for Music Education’ in the same year - 2022. 

This was an opportunity that Tom and friends of the podcast Dr Elizabeth MacGregor and Dr Viv John, all being music education specialists, couldn’t pass up. They’ve published, and presented in various events, an analysis of the two plans. The analysis aims to spotlight the presumptions, values and hidden agendas underlying the documents from both governments, and there are some interesting conclusions to be had. 

If you’re not a music education person, there’s still something in this for you because the analysis uses a framework called What’s the Problem Represented to Be, which is a great way of digging into, and uncovering the motivations behind, what might seem at first to be relatively uncontroversial policies and plans. 

Thanks to Dr Viv for joining Tom in the studio, and to Dr Elizabeth for appearing down-the-line, complete with honorary research team member, Walnut the Dog. If you haven’t dipped a toe into the YouTube versions of the podcast, this might be the ideal moment to take a look!

Finally, if you’re someone with an interest in music education research, whether that’s as an academic, research student or practitioner with an interest in research anywhere in the world, you may want to know about GRiME. Cardiff Metropolitan University’s Group for Research in Music Education is a collective of academics at all stages of their research careers, and from several universities, who meet regularly to get things done in what can feel a very niche field. Why not get in touch with us via Tom: tbreeze@cardiffmet.ac.uk?

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Recorded in studio B2.15 at Cardiff Metropolitan University’s Cyncoed Campus on 6th and 20th November 2025