Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar 2/13/26: Epstein Goldman Sachs Lawyer OUT, "Zohran" of North Carolina Primaries Democrat
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Feb 13, 2026 
Nida Allam, progressive former Durham County commissioner running for Congress in North Carolina. She discusses ICE abolition and immigration reform. She talks fights over AI data centers and local energy impacts. She addresses grassroots organizing, affordability messaging, and comparisons to Zohran Mamdani in NC politics.
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Epstein Emails Undermined Goldman's CLO
- Ryan Grim argues Kathy Rumler's deep, personal email ties to Jeffrey Epstein made her position at Goldman untenable.
- The volume and intimacy of their exchanges revealed a blurred boundary between lawyer and enabler.
Email Heat Map Shows Epstein's Reach
- The hosts cite a JMail/Economist analysis showing Epstein's contacts spanned finance, media, tech, law, and girlfriends.
- Ryan notes Kathy Rumler logged over 11,000 emails, signaling unusually intense contact.
Epstein Advised Bannon's Media Tactics
- Hosts discuss Steve Bannon exchanging strategy with Epstein and using advice to exploit media company FARA exemptions.
- They suggest Epstein advised structural tactics to avoid registration and gain media-source privileges.