Done over perfect: launching despite flaws

They reflect on choosing the less-bad option, shipping imperfect work, and relying on community for recovery.

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Growth doesn’t come from getting it right every time. It comes from staying in the game when things go wrong. In this Best of 2025 He Said She Said episode, Chris and I are bringing together three conversations that shaped us the most this year. We’re talking about the moments that tested us, the risks that stretched us, and the rooms that changed how we think, lead, and live. We share stories behind our most cringe-worthy business moments, why your comeback rate matters more than perfection, what Ferrari, Pagani, and Europe taught us about risk and legacy, and how building the right mastermind can collapse timelines faster than anything else we’ve ever done. Tune in for the mindset shifts you need to recover faster and choose better rooms.

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HIGHLIGHTS

00:00 Why your comeback rate matters more than avoiding mistakes.

04:15 The Chris fit that accidentally made it into a paid course.

10:15 My nightmare interview where I called Natalie Ellis the wrong name.

12:45 The time Chris thought he was muting coughs, but the recording caught it all.

20:30 The priceless gift of Chris’s Italy trip with his brother.

25:30 Proof that your business can grow without you hovering.

33:30 The Ferrari story that reframes failure and legacy.

38:00 Why staying trapped in “good” keeps you from “great”.

43:45 Why staying rooted and letting your partner chase their experiences matters.

46:45 How honoring different seasons strengthens your relationship.

50:00 How do you help your mastermind members stay engaged and consistent?