Renewal rates versus uncertainty

In this episode of Mostly Growth, the number one podcast in product monetization, CJ and Kyle unpack one of the most confusing functions in SaaS: customer success. Based on a survey of 132 GTM leaders, they break down how CS teams are staffed, compensated, and structured — and why 93% of companies still aren’t confident they’ve gotten the model right. From P&L placement to comp plans to expansion ownership, they explore whether customer success is actually driving revenue or just absorbing budget.

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LINKS: 

Mostly Metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com

CJ on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/

Growth Unhinged: https://www.growthunhinged.com/

Kyle on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-poyar/

Slacker Stuff: https://www.slackerstuff.com/
Ben on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/slackerstuff/

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TIMESTAMPS:

0:00 Intro banter

3:24 CS team size benchmarks

5:13 93% lack confidence in their CS model

6:36 Renewal rates are solid

8:10 CS identity crisis

9:12 Where CS reports

11:44 CS on the P&L

10:02 Sponsors — Hockey Stack | RightRev | Tropic

13:41 P&L placement results

15:51 Staffing by count vs. revenue

17:44 CS as a coverage problem

18:28 CS is not paid like sales

20:14 MBO vs. commission vs. hybrid

22:01 Why commission is hard

23:13 Hybrid comp gets diluted

24:30 What CS is actually paid on

25:19 Pay on adoption, not NPS

27:26 NPS is not predictive

29:26 Who owns expansion revenue?

32:12 Should you charge for CS?

34:09 Takeaways

36:48 Credits

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