Why Democrats think a shutdown is a viable tactic

The U.S. government this weekend is expected to find itself in yet another shutdown. This time, it is only one agency shutting down: the Department of Homeland Security.

Michael Gold, a congressional reporter for The New York Times, explains why Democrats are once again picking a fight over funding with President Trump.

Guest: Michael Gold, a congressional correspondent for The New York Times, based in Washington.

Background reading: 

• Senate Democrats refused to move ahead with a spending bill needed to keep the Department of Homeland Security running.
• Video: How Democrats are trying to rein in ICE.

Photo: Elizabeth Frantz for The New York Times

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