Scaling operations vs. producing developers

Episode Summary

Dive into the ever-evolving world of platform engineering with Cory O’Daniel, CEO and co-founder of Massdriver. This episode explores the journey of DevOps, the challenges of building and scaling infrastructure, and the crucial role of creating effective abstractions to empower developers. Cory shares his insights on the shift towards platform engineering as a means to build more secure and efficient software by default.

Show Notes

In this episode of The Secure Developer, host Danny Allan sits down with Cory O’Daniel, CEO and co-founder of Massdriver, to discuss the dynamic landscape of platform engineering. Cory, a seasoned software engineer and first-time CEO, shares his extensive experience in the Infrastructure as Code (IaC) space, tracing his journey from early encounters with EC2 to founding Massdriver. He offers candid advice for developers aspiring to become CEOs, emphasizing the importance of passion and early customer engagement.  

The conversation delves into the evolution of DevOps over the past two decades, highlighting the constant changes in how software is run, from mainframes to serverless containers and now AI. Cory argues that the true spirit of DevOps lies in operations teams producing products that developers can easily use. He points out the challenge of scaling operations expertise, suggesting that IT and Cloud practices need to mature in software development to create better abstractions for developers, rather than expecting developers to become infrastructure experts.  

A significant portion of the discussion focuses on the current state of abstractions in IaC. Cory contends that existing public abstractions, like open-source Terraform modules, are often too generic and don't account for specific business logic, security, or compliance requirements. He advocates for operations teams building their own prescriptive modules that embed organizational standards, effectively shifting security left by design rather than by burdening developers. The episode also touches upon the potential and limitations of AI in the operations space, with Cory expressing skepticism about AI's current ability to handle the contextual complexities of infrastructure without significant, organization-specific training data. Finally, Cory shares his optimism for the future of platform engineering, viewing it as a return to the original intentions of DevOps, where operations teams ship software with ingrained security and compliance, leading to more secure systems by default.

Links

• MassDriver
• Ansible
• Chef
• Terraform
• DevOps is Bullshit
• Elephant in the Cloud
• Docker
• Postgres
• OpenTofu
• Helm
• Redis
• Elixir
• Snyk - The Developer Security Company

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