What Happened to the Body and Associates

This is the episode’s “smoking gun,” and it’s legitimately intriguing. The post—made around 40 minutes before Epstein’s death was publicly announced—describes him being wheeled out in a wheelchair after a 4:15 a.m. inmate count, with an unauthorized van arriving and no real hospital interaction. The files confirm the poster was Roberto Grijalva, a lieutenant corrections officer at the Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC) on duty that night. Subpoenas to 4chan, Apple, AT&T, and Citibank traced it back to him via bank and IP records.

What’s wild:

* Grijalva wasn’t some random troll; he was actively doing his job, as evidenced by his August 12, 2019, memo to the warden noting Epstein needed a cellmate (per suicide risk protocols) after his previous one (Efrain Reyes) was transferred out the day before.

* The feds went all-in to ID him (grand jury probe the day after Epstein’s death), but there’s no record of follow-up interviews, charges, or discipline tied to the post. It just... stops. If this was a genuine investigation into leaks or irregularities, why drop it once they found a credible insider?

* Counterfactuals here make sense: If it was a cover-up, they’d want to silence potential witnesses. Grijalva continued at MCC until its 2021 closure but hasn’t worked since—could be a payout, retirement, or something else. No freak accidents reported, at least.

This raises real questions about MCC negligence (or worse). Official probes (2023 DOJ IG report) blamed guards for falsifying logs and sleeping, but the lack of scrutiny on Grijalva feels off. It’s not “bulletproof” proof Epstein’s alive, but it screams active suppression of info. Props to the hosts for spotlighting this—it’s under-discussed compared to flashier theories.[00:00:00]

Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we’re going to be talking about Epstein and if he is actually dead, as well as some other updates from the Epstein files that we didn’t cover in our last video.

And again, it’s a case of I decided to go into this. I decided to research this, and the claims and evidence I have seen pushed around for him not being dead, like the popular conspiracy theories, the tattoo one, the Fortnite one they’re generally pretty bad as as, as far as evidence goes. Oh. However I found a new one, or it’s not entirely new, but it’s mostly something that it’s not focused on that I think is, is near Bulletproof.

Maybe not that he’s not dead, but that there is an active coverup of something tied to his death. And I would start by by going into that one. Yeah. But before I get to that, I also just wanted to briefly cover. One thing that’s really been annoying me is people keep being like, well, Stephen [00:01:00] Hawkings in the Epstein files.

And it’s like, no, Stephen Hawkings went to Epstein Island for like a big scientist conference thing. It, there is no evidence at all that he was involved in anything sexual there. And like, how do you even broach that with Stephen Hawking, like,

Simone Collins: yeah, in the rig? How do you do it?

Malcolm Collins: Even if you are interested in trying to entrap people and stuff like that, if you get Stephen Hawking to come to your island, just use it for the clout and don’t, you know, risk him because you can’t disappear Stephen Hawking if he turns out to like, not be into this.

Right. Like,

Simone Collins: not be into it.

Malcolm Collins: The, I I, I see no evidence there. Where I do see very strong evidence is Steve Bannon. And if we have time at the end of this, I’ll go into Steve Bannon more.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Because wow. And I’ve always said that he was a complete swamp creature. And some people were like, oh, Malcolm, you should be nicer.

He’s done a lot for the conservative movement. And I’m like, no. He, he functionally hasn’t, he’s actually done a lot of damage to the conservative movement. He’s, he’s probably about as bad as Ben [00:02:00] Shapiro if not a little worse because he has actively prevented some political things from getting done.

Yeah. Just to play his, his swamp game. And he’s

Simone Collins: swamp game.

Malcolm Collins: He seems to be a less ethical person than Ben Shapiro, which is saying a lot. Ben Shapiro, I think is just sort of a weasel, but he doesn’t seem to be like, actively, like, I’m gonna go out and do evil things. Whereas Steve Bannon is more like in the latter category, and we can get to that on the Steve Bannon parts of this.

Simone Collins: So

Malcolm Collins: we

Simone Collins: stopped trying to be nice to people, apparently.

Malcolm Collins: Well, he is never done anything for us, and we’ve been on the scene for a while at this point. You know, I, I don’t, don’t try to rehabilitate, you know, Epstein after you know everything he’s done. How about that? But let’s, let’s go into this, right?

So I’m gonna go into the really. Smoking evidence here. Okay.

Simone Collins: Okay. Yes.

Malcolm Collins: So, there is documented evidence of a specific anonymous post, which originated on four chan shortly after Epstein’s death on August [00:03:00] 10th, 2019. Okay? It describes him as being wheeled out of his cell in a medical wheelchair after 4:15 AM inmate count.

Front cuffed handcuffs in the front was a nurse presented, but no triage nurses claiming to have spoken to him, followed up by an unauthorized trip van arriving. The post implies this happened before the official medical discovery of his body at around six 30 suggesting a possible covert extraction or body switch and no meaningful hospital interaction upon arrival.

So you hear this and your initial thought as is.

Simone Collins: Yeah. You’re saying people are, people say he was wheeled out before his dead body was discovered.

Malcolm Collins: Hold on. We’re just laying out the initial piece of evidence here.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Somebody anonymously on four chan before he died.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Said he was wheeled out before he died.

Yeah. Now you hear this and you say, okay, it is [00:04:00] weird that somebody knew about this before this was all made public, but

Simone Collins: oh, you’re saying the time they posted it? Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t catch that.

Malcolm Collins: Hold on, hold on. But it’s still just an anonymous four chan post.

Simone Collins: Right. But, but literally before he died, like chronologically in the time of our universe.

On the day he died two hours before he died. Hold on.

So for clarification, this was after he had died, but before that was made public.

Simone Collins: Okay. Go on. Go on.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, so the full text as archived, because I wanna get to this. Mm-hmm. Not saying anything after this, please do not try to dox me. But last night after 0 4 1 5 count, they took him Epstein to medical in a wheelchair front, cuffed, but not one triage nurse says she spoke to him.

Next thing we know, a trip van shows up. We do not do medical trips. They take inmates to Monte Friar’s, Rikers North Infirmary, intubate, doubt it. Dead on arrival [00:05:00] equals DOA hospitals do not release information to correction officers in quote. Okay. And so this appeared on the four chan board at, around the time of his death which was about 40 minutes before the public announcement.

But again, that turns out to be irrelevant. So you hear this and you’re like, okay, this could be any of a thousand things until the declassified Epstein files, and this is where this becomes an enormous smoking gun.

Simone Collins: Oh.

Malcolm Collins: So, and this was as of 2026. We now have this information.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: The identity of the person who posted this is Roberto Gal, a Lieutenant Corrections officer at the Metropolitans Correction Center, the MC where Epstein was held.

Oh,

Simone Collins: didn’t wanna be doxed, I feel bad,

Malcolm Collins: right? The files include a subpoena issued by the US attorney, Jeffrey Berman, of the SDNY, the day after Epstein’s death, targeting four Chan, apple, at and t and others to trace the [00:06:00] IP and identify the source investigators subpoenaed AL’S banking and communication records confirming his involvement.

This gives the claim so. Hold on. So what do we now know? Okay. We now know the person who posted this

Simone Collins: mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Worked as a corrections officer in that facility.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: So what else do we know? He is a real individual. Mm-hmm. Who worked at that facility at the, at the MC.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: In New York City. The federal Joe Jeffrey Epstein was held and died in August, 2019.

Mm-hmm. Not only that, but he was on duty during the relevant time period. Mm-hmm. Including the night leading up to Epstein’s death. Mm. But hold on, that becomes more important in just a second.

Simone Collins: Well, we also, because the government freaked out. Right. And then we’re like, who posted this? No.

Malcolm Collins: Right. Right. But it becomes more interesting.

That’s what we haven’t even gotten to, why this is so fascinating and why it’s smoking.

Simone Collins: I’m interested already.

Malcolm Collins: [00:07:00] Now here’s an even crazier thing,

Simone Collins: okay?

Malcolm Collins: So we do from the Epstein files. Get some additional context on this guy.

Simone Collins: Okay?

Malcolm Collins: So he provided statements as part of the MCCs internal investigation into Epstein’s desk, eg.

On guard protocols and events that night, which were released in the 2026 dump. There is, and here’s a really important part, but we’ll get to why it’s important in just a second. There’s no public record of him facing charges. Discipline or further legal action related to the post officials seem to have treated it as part of the broader probe into leads and irregularity regarding the jail, rather than pursuing him specifically, he does not appear to be involved in any Epstein related lawsuits or testimony or searches for his name outside the context.

Mostly turn up unrelated people if you do searches. So, hold on. So they, we do have one other thing from him. So when they were doing the interviews of everyone at the facility,

Simone Collins: okay.

Malcolm Collins: And this appears to be untied to the investigation to tie him to the four chan post. Okay.

Simone Collins: [00:08:00] Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: He August 12th, 2019 addressed the warden in Dale in. Was the title passed Information from Special Housing Unit where he describes routine inmate handling details from the day before Epstein’s death in it.

Geral states that on Friday, August 9th, 2019 at approximately 1:50 PM he passed information to oncoming staff Officer Davis, officer Shaki and Officer Joyer specifically, he noted that Inmate Reyes 8 5 9 9 3 0 5 3 was going wa likely a reference to a writ court appearance and might not return.

And that inmate Jeffrey Epstein would need a cellmate upon returning from his attorney visits. So this is incredibly important.

Simone Collins: I thought he was supposed to be by himself.

Malcolm Collins: No, no. He was mandated by court psychologists to always have another person in the cell with [00:09:00] him. And this was also, this was because he was a, an un alive risk.

Simone Collins: I know, but that doesn’t like it seems. I’m not stopping. Like let’s say that I’m, I’m putting someone else’s cell and they’re a little, you know, on edge. I’m not gonna stop them from like, why are you putting that out on inmate? It’s not their job. It’s

Malcolm Collins: in this prison and

Simone Collins: it’s good

Malcolm Collins: protocol to have, you’re less likely to go through the presumably very long process

Simone Collins: given the way

Malcolm Collins: he

Simone Collins: killed them.

Oh. If someone else is there. Okay. Fair enough. Fair

Malcolm Collins: enough. If someone else is there. Yeah. So the point here being is Epstein on every other night had somebody else in his cell.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: That person was discharged the night before the unliving happened. Okay. Mm-hmm. And we’ve gotten to in our other video on this, but we’ll cover, give a brief overview all the other irregularities that have already come out tied to this.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: The officer who happened to post the post saying Epstein looks like he was wheeled out in a wheelchair right before he supposedly [00:10:00] died.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Also is the same officer who went to the warden and said, Hey, Epstein is supposed to have another person in his cell with him. Why isn’t there someone else in his cell with him?

Simone Collins: Oh, oh, oh.

Malcolm Collins: Basically he was the one person we know for sure was actually doing their job.

Simone Collins: He wasn’t quiet. Quitting in

Malcolm Collins: prison.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Wow. Props to this dude.

Malcolm Collins: But

Simone Collins: they’re mad, mad at him for like making a fuss and posting on four chan, but they’re like, oh. But he’s like the only guy who actually works here. We need to keep him anyway, even though we’re really mad that he leaked this information.

‘cause if he quits, literally no one else will do their job.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, the one guy who didn’t appear corrupted or bribed and was actually like, Hey, this is an univ risk. Shouldn’t we be doing something about this? Not just on four chan, but to the warden himself?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. And we have like [00:11:00] records of this from the investigation.

Okay. So this guy, upstanding guy and very shockingly, just in case you’re wondering, he hasn’t died in a freak accident already. Oh, that’s

Simone Collins: good.

Malcolm Collins: But hold on.

Simone Collins: He’s probably on edge right now though.

Malcolm Collins: This is a smoking gun. So this guy, all right, he he, he posts this on four chan.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: They. Go like a swarm of angry bees pulling at T records, pulling all the, like whatever records, et cetera.

You know, you have to do a lot to find out exactly where a post came from on four chan.

Simone Collins: Yeah. It’s,

Malcolm Collins: this was an extreme, they call it

Simone Collins: for a reason

Malcolm Collins: investigation. Right. So they do all of this. Right. And, and, and keep in mind from their perspective, this is just a random post on four chan, right? Yeah.

Presumably the reason they’re doing this, if this is a real investigation, is to find out is this a random person, right. Or is this somebody who might have relevant [00:12:00] information to the case? Alright.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: That’s presumably why they’re going to all this effort. Yeah. To find out who posted this.

Simone Collins: Yeah. If obviously weren’t true, they wouldn’t be interested, would they?

Malcolm Collins: Well, no. They might be like, oh, did some random kid post this from their basement? Right. Like, okay, the timing was weird. But it could be a troll, it could be somebody outside the facility. It could be somebody who have no idea what’s going on. It could be somebody with a history of pulling pranks like this.

It could be any number of things, right? So I’m an investigation. I want to know, is this somebody with actual information? No. Or is this a random somebody? Right. You know? No, no. And if it’s a random, you know, unreliable person then it can be thrown away. Right. But if it, if it is somebody Right, I would want to do more investigation.

Absolutely.

Simone Collins: So

Malcolm Collins: they go through all this effort, they find out Yes. If somebody was extremely credible information into what’s happening and they never interview him, they never do [00:13:00] any post investigation. It stops right there. The extremely angry hornet’s nest. Trying to figure out how somebody knew information like this beforehand, stopped the moment they found out that this person might have credible information or not just might, would likely have credible information.

There is no, this isn’t somebody who like you know, Bigfoot guy had done a lot of pranks before or something like that. This is quite the opposite. This is the one guy who is trying to get the prison to follow protocol.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Gosh, I, yeah, this is

Malcolm Collins: really

Simone Collins: something.

Malcolm Collins: Now we need to take some counterfactuals.

Simone Collins: Okay?

Malcolm Collins: Yes. What could explain this, okay, why did they not follow up with him? Why did they not interview him afterwards? Why did the investigation suddenly die? The moment they knew the person who posted this had credible information and not just die? It’s like he didn’t face any punitive action. It was just like, it’s [00:14:00] gone.

It’s over. We’re not talking about this. Why? Okay. So few potential things. One is, is that they did have further investigation on him, and those files have just been fully redacted or were disappeared. Plausible. No. That looks really, really bad. Why would you disappear those files if what he told you could have been easily dismissed, right?

Yeah, no. If it wasn’t real, why are those files gone?

Okay. So if, if those files are gone, if we’re in that world, right, that means that Epstein is still probably alive. Or something else really weird happened with his body that they’re trying to cover up. Like he was taken out alive and then killed in another location. Two, what could have happened?

What could have happened is the investigation was actively in on a coverup, right? So if the investigation [00:15:00] was actively in on a coverup, why did they start buzzing around in a spasm the moment it looked like somebody had insight information?

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, because they wanted to silence whoever might have insight information if they had enough information or like a picture or something like that that could blow this open, right?

Mm-hmm. So that part still makes sense. Then they find the guy, they find out either he has no more credible information or they were easily able to blackmail him. ‘cause he hasn’t really talked about this since. Well,

Simone Collins: and has docs to anon continued to work at this corrections facility or not?

Malcolm Collins: Mm, he doesn’t work there anymore, but he appeared to work there for a while after this.

Simone Collins: Do we know what he does now?

Malcolm Collins: Mm, I haven’t gone into it. Didn’t wanna dox him further.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I just, I like I, that would kind of indicate whether he’s been paid off, you know what I mean?

Though. Doc, Dan on your bro, and I’m sorry, we, we don’t wanna

Malcolm Collins: the one, the one honest guy, [00:16:00]

Simone Collins: thet man in the world.

Malcolm Collins: But the, the point that I’m making here

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Is, okay, so we live in a world where the investigation was in on it and was looking to see if they needed to silence anyone found the guy, and then what they were concerned was, was silencing him. Yes. So they didn’t really want any conversation. They have to be on the books.

And so those records were never created in the first place. They were just like, you know, you can’t ever talk about this again.

Simone Collins: Right? Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So, in that scenario, it also means something fishy happened and he was either murdered, but even more likely than that, that he was taken out, extracted, alive.

Simone Collins: And now that I’m thinking about it, he, he was the kind of person, I mean, as, as we saw from the e like this Bill Gates email that he sent to himself as like, here’s, like, presumably he sent that Bill Gates STI. Email to himself, assuming that it could work as blackmail in the future. I mean, he was very good on blackmail.

Like in, in, in other cases, [00:17:00] totally unrelated to Bill Gates and other people. He was very, very, very good at getting dirt on people especially like financial and tax related dirt. That would really put them in a bind if they ever crossed him. I imagine he had some damage. Well, Simon, you’d

Malcolm Collins: be very happy to know.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: What happened to this guy? So here’s what we know from the records,

Simone Collins: okay?

Malcolm Collins: He continued to work at the MCC facility until it was closed down in 2019, due to controversy surrounding Ev Epstein’s death. After that, he’s never had a job again.

Simone Collins: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You’re a bro. Like hide.

Malcolm Collins: No, that’s not my takeaway from that.

Simone Collins: What?

Malcolm Collins: He’s gone. Well, he had a good record. It seems that this, the most of the people at the facility were transferred to other facilities. Mm-hmm. It seems that somehow he came into generational wealth. [00:18:00] That’s what I take away.

You don’t randomly just stop working like that when you have as clean a record as

Simone Collins: this guy did. Listen, he was, he would either take the money or get window cancer. What do you want, Malcolm? Yeah. Take the

Malcolm Collins: money. Yeah. I mean, I guess good end for the one honest corrections

Simone Collins: officer. Honestly. Yeah. I’m like, get your bag, sir.

We thank you for your service. You tried. Okay. Now don’t die. You tried. They, they got you. The system is corrupt. You learned your lesson. Enjoy your retirement. Please don’t get off, but, okay. So I could see this now that I’m thinking about it, like Epstein really would have some kind of dead men switch where he is like, listen, I may be in jail, but if I don’t ping into this system.

Every however many days

mm-hmm.

All of your secrets will be, will be revealed. And that enough people with influence and power were able to get him out because they could not afford [00:19:00] for those secrets to get out. I don’t know. What do you think? Like that? I feel like that could be enough to have

Malcolm Collins: an intelligence agency that looks after their own, like,

Simone Collins: no, no, no, I’m sorry, but like, yeah.

This, this whole no man left behind thing. It, it’s sweet and they try sometimes, but people don’t care. Like people double cross and screw people over all the time. Way

Malcolm Collins: crazy. These leaks. I haven’t, I haven’t looked to confirm this one yet, but did you know that he. You know what? The kava is the really famous Muslim thing that they all do their prayers and walk around and it’s got the rock inside in Mecca?

Simone Collins: No. So it’s a pilgrimage site.

Malcolm Collins: It’s the most famous Muslim pilgrimage site.

Simone Collins: It’s, I thought Mecca was the most famous Muslim pilgrimage

Malcolm Collins: site. It’s in Mecca.

Simone Collins: Oh, it’s the, it’s the thing you see in Mecca

Malcolm Collins: when you go to Mecca. It’s the main thing you

Simone Collins: see. So like, it’s, it’s the Cinderella’s castle of, of Disneyland, of, you know, and

Malcolm Collins: Mecca.

There’s like a little boxy, square boxy thing that people walk around.

Simone Collins: I’m so, it’s such a blind spot for me. I’m sorry.

Malcolm Collins: It’s literally the most sacred thing in Islam. So [00:20:00] anyway,

Simone Collins: when you said kava, I thought like, oh, isn’t that like a fast casual Mediterranean restaurant? Sorry. He made

Malcolm Collins: Well, the fans love you because they say that you help establish facts that like the normal fan doesn’t know either.

Simone will change it. I

Simone Collins: just pooped face.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, so he paid the Saudi Arabian government, it looks like, for a part of the cava to use as a rug for part of its covering.

Simone Collins: Oh, wait, wait. He like, what? Epstein.

Malcolm Collins: Epstein literally was on the cover. An extremely sacred Islamic artifact.

Simone Collins: I mean, he also, from my understanding of all the coverage contributed to the foundation of four chan.

This guy knew how to troll, so I gotta, you gotta respect that. He, he did some atrocious, horrible things. He also trolled

Malcolm Collins: yeah. So we’ll be that’s, I mean that [00:21:00] is, well it is, it is a sac sacrilege to an entire, I mean, talk about You wanna get

Simone Collins: back? Yeah. I honestly don’t know how he could have actually done something so sacrilegious though, like, how do you even get access to that?

Malcolm Collins: He bought it from the Saudi Arabian government, from the Crown Prince.

Simone Collins: Would they? Sell that though

Malcolm Collins: to if he had contra bought on them? Yeah.

Simone Collins: Oh. Oh my gosh. I’m sorry. Gimme

Malcolm Collins: by the way, on the evidence for the, pizza of the Keisha, the black and gold embroidered closet. It covers the Kaba and Mecca. In 2017, a shipment arranged through private contracts in Saudi Arabia, in the United Arab Emirates, emails in the files detailed logistics, including coordinates by Emirati businessmen.

I will not be able to pronounce these names with items labeled as picture frames or artwork to transport via British Airways Cargo from Saudi Arabia to Epstein’s residence in Florida and the Virgin Islands. The pieces included one from the Kaba inner lining, one from the used exterior covering and one unused [00:22:00] fragment made of the same material.

A shipping invoice valued them at approximately $10,980, which some reports online that’s, that’s no way though. It would’ve cost way more than that. Yeah, this, he clearly had contra mount on somebody and they shipped him part of the holiest site in all of Islam. That is absolutely wild. That is, that is completely wild.

Okay. So, to Simone’s earlier question about policy bureau of Prisons, BOP policy at the time required high risk inmates like Epstein, who had attempted Unli weeks earlier to have a cellmate as a safeguard. Even after he was removed from the UN Alive Watch lift on July 30th, Epstein’s previous cellmate, Efrin Rays was transferred out that day, leaving him alone overnight.

A key factor in the DOJs, that leader criticism for MTC stash negligence. Wait, he had attempted Unli before?

Simone Collins: Yeah. That was never clear to me why he was seen as a risk at all, because I [00:23:00] hadn’t heard some story about him making attempts or showing signs of serious depression. But maybe it was, this was a long time ago.,

Malcolm Collins: Hold on. I’ll, I’ll do the other suicide attempt first. So, there is evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in an incident in 2023, 2019, 18 days before his death that federal officials investigated and described as an unli attempt.

He was found unresponsive in his cell at the MCC in New York. Lying in a fetal position was marks and bruising on his neck from what happened to be a noose fashion from an orange fabric or a bedsheet. Prison. Guards were performed CPR and he was briefly hospitalized before being placed on, on a Liveing watch for 31 hours.

Why hasn’t this been talked about? More. However that is theory denied. It was an unli attempt and instead accused his cellmate at the time, former police officer Nicholas 10 James, who was facing murder charges of assaulting him during a quote unquote experiment or prank [00:24:00] involving a rope or claws around his neck.

Whoa, that is sketchy. A former police officer was with him in his cell and didn’t stop him from attempting to unli himself, and Epstein said, he’s the one who did it. How did I not hear about this? And so, in interviews with psychologist, Epstein repeatedly stated that he had no suicidal ideation describing suicide as crazy and against his Jewish face.

And he claimed he could not be an incident due to,

Simone Collins: so he, someone attempted to murder him in his cell.

Malcolm Collins: That’s what it looks like. Yeah. Well, specifically a former cop. Mm-hmm. I, I just hearing about this now in this investigation. Okay. To continue. Maybe that’s why he, he was so eager to get out quickly.

He’s like, I can’t stay in here anymore. I gotta call the the bros. Let’s go to the Fortnite theory. Okay? This theory is unfortunately, maybe strong, maybe not as strong, so let’s go over [00:25:00] it. All right. So there’s been some pictures that have come out. The files include a receipt titled May 7th, 2019 which show a 25 95 charge for V bucks on Fortnite.

Now this was about three months before Epstein’s death. VBU are Fortnite in-game currency. Wait, was Epstein out of jail at that time?

Okay. So he was free at that time. Okay. I was just checking if, if we could confirm that this wasn’t made by Epstein, but it appears possible that it was made by Epstein.

Simone Collins: Mm.

Malcolm Collins: So, one, we know that Epstein did there, somebody using his card did pay for Fortnite stuff. Right. It, it could have been one of his staff, but somebody paid for Fortnite stuff.

Simone Collins: Right. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: And, and we do know Epstein was a rabid gamer of the type of games like this. So it’s completely within every caricature we know of Epstein, that he was a, a rabid Fortnite player

Simone Collins: an avid Fortnite gamer,

Malcolm Collins: rabid. Okay,

Simone Collins: fine.

Malcolm Collins: So, separately the documents reveal Epstein’s YouTube username [00:26:00] was littlest Jeff one connected to his email giv vacation@gmail.com.

This account is,

Simone Collins: okay. Can someone explain to me why people just add numbers to their name? When is this ever Okay. Like, sorry. Like even little as Jeff won can me like, sorry, go on.

Malcolm Collins: So, online sluice then went to Fortnite to see if they could find a player with the name littlest. Jeff won. Right. And they did.

And if you look at this player, there’s a lot of very interesting things about it. For example the one time that this player did not play any Fortnite was during the period in which Epstein was in jail. Other than that, it played a ton of Fortnite, both right after he died and before was jailed. So that does not look good.

Here’s the problem with this theory,

Simone Collins: okay?

Malcolm Collins: It’s [00:27:00] that Epic Games. Fortnite developer quickly addressed this on x This was a ruse by a Fortnite player. A few days ago, an existing Fortnite account owner changed their username from something totally unrelated to littlest Jeff.

One following the revelation of littlest Jeff, one as the name on Epstein’s name on YouTube. So here’s the problem with that.

Simone Collins: Okay?

Malcolm Collins: And we’ll go over it because we’ll go over the the, the details of this. Okay? One, if it is true that Epstein was not this other account, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Why don’t they release his real account name?

Like we still don’t know what his real account name was. And so if they could just release his real account name, it’d be very easy to see that he hadn’t been on this for a while. Right? Too if you look at the like, go back, whatevers

Simone Collins: the way back machine,

Malcolm Collins: the way back machine as some people [00:28:00] did you could find it, you could find it under that name.

Simone Collins: Little less. The

Malcolm Collins: problem is, is that thing on the way back machine disappeared in real time, basically, while s sleuth were looking at it.

Simone Collins: So they’re like, the page is loaded and then it just disappears. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So we don’t have strong evidence there of whatever the heck that was. We just know that some people say it could be doctor images that the way back machine said that.

I personally w would to the, the, the, fortnite lead, I’m gonna have to say low probability. The reason I say low probability is Epic Games quickly. Doing a confirmation like this is a pretty big thing to do, especially given that Epstein files are constantly being released and they could be in them next if they are a [00:29:00] hearing from somebody that they need to hide this.

You know, it seems like the forces that are trying to get the Epstein stuff out there are having more and more success as time goes on. Yeah, I would not stick my neck out like that if I was them. So on that front, I just, I don’t know, I just, I don’t see it as that much of a smoking gun, given that anyone can choose one of these account names.

And then two there’s a, a, a two-parter here. We only know of him using this account name on YouTube. I haven’t seen, I’ve heard that he used it in other places. I’ve seen no evidence that he’s used it in other places. That being the case, you have to ask yourself, as Simone pointed out, he called himself littlest Jeff one.

Right. Usually when somebody’s choosing like a standard username, what they’ll do is they’ll choose something like littlest Jeff and then they’ll put one at the end of it. If there happens to be another littlest Jeff within that platform,

Simone Collins: which is so stupid,

Malcolm Collins: I know you don’t like it, but some people really have like one name that’s like their name.

So when they’re doing Warcraft, if there’s another littlest Jeff and they [00:30:00] want to

Simone Collins: talk to No, then they do the real Donald Trump, the real

Malcolm Collins: little sh yeah. And that, and then you run out of things. ‘cause then everybody starts doing the re and then

Simone Collins: the numbers is, is worse. There’s, there’s zero. And he was.

He was a Jew, so he was a word cell. So he would’ve been cool with that. That’s, I don’t know. I just feel like, and he was, he like was a performative intellectual. He, he used himself internally. The probably

Malcolm Collins: put littlest, Jeff won in the account on YouTube that there was already a littlest Jeff account.

Right. If he, if he had other little as Jeff’s accounts, it is probably likely they wouldn’t have been labeled one, they would’ve been labeled either little as Jeff or the littlest Jeff. And then whatever number comes after that. Right. Now, even if that’s not the case, that’s one thing that I find suspicious about this.

But even if that’s not the case, it’s also important to note that we have literally zero evidence which is actually surprising to me given that if he is this much of [00:31:00] a, a Fortnite fanatic mm-hmm. That he ever claimed or in anything seemed to show that he had the Fortnite account. Little as Jeff won.

Now, there is one pushback you could make on this.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Why was he kicked off of Xbox?

Simone Collins: I don’t rem. Oh. Because he used the N word. No. ‘

Malcolm Collins: cause he was his sex offender. That might be why he hid what his Fortnite name was and why. We have no confirmation of it anywhere else in the documents. ‘cause he was afraid of being kicked off for being a sex offender.

Simone Collins: Oh, of course. Yeah, of course. Why did I not think of that? And what, why would I think that the n wordss gonna get you kicked off for,

Malcolm Collins: I think he might have also been kicked off of something for saying the N word. I just wanna be clear that that was the main reason.

Simone Collins: I don’t know, but like, I don’t know if you get kicked off a platform with chat for using the N word or the f slur word or other things.

It, it [00:32:00] just, I, I, I don’t know. I feel like you’re gonna get kicked off if you don’t use those terms. Unless things have gotten that bad online. God, I hope not. Yeah. Is trash talk dead Anyway,

Malcolm Collins: so, now let’s talk about some of the other leaks that people have gotten crazy about.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: The blurry orange picture that came on the, the cell, like the camera images from the, the MCM and I see this as literally irrelevant.

It does not matter. I understand that it wasn’t in some of the reports, but I could have easily missed this. You could have easily missed this. A person could easily be like, that just looks like a prisoner and a guard, which is what it looks like. So, I’m not, I’m, I, I don’t, I don’t think, yeah.

Simone Collins: Until we actually get enhance, there’s just nothing we can do.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. So next .

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Let’s go to the ear one, because the ear one is one of the ones mm-hmm. Where when you do your own research

Simone Collins: mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: As I don’t understand why other [00:33:00] people don’t do this. It looks a lot a a lot less suspicious than it looks at first.

Simone Collins: So to give context, people were comparing pictures from Epstein’s alleged corpse when he died and his ear in normal times. And were comparing the ear shapes and saying, this is not the same ear. Right.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And they do look nothing alike in the pictures that you see going around on X.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: And for people who are not familiar with this, this used to be the way that they did fingerprinting was ear shaped because it’s incredibly unique.

Was,

Simone Collins: yeah, it was a very unique identifier. For example, a very high profile example of this was when the Romanoff dynasty had been, you know. Murdered, but people thought that Anastasia was still alive when New Pretenders who said, I’m Anastasia, I am a Romanov. They would compare their ears and be like, ah, but don’t you see there is no resemblance.

[00:34:00] And yes. So this is now they’re just going back to this.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So let’s go to what some, some people are saying on X about this. Okay. There, because a lot of people are just like, well, you know, you change sayings on your body change shape as you die. Right?

Simone Collins: Right. You think swell things recede. Absolutely.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Right. So when one person is acknowledging that, and then he goes, yet the cartilage flattening on the nose makes no sense. The cartilage in the ear should be shrinking back. Makes no sense because we’re seeing that the nose actually seems to puff up in these pictures rather than down right into a shape that is, and I’ll note that the nose is, is gonna turn out to be more important than the ear in just a second here.

Simone Collins: Oh

Malcolm Collins: boy. Another person says there are a lot of changes that begin to show almost immediately. The ear thing is incredibly odd, though the folds creases in our ears are as unique as fingerprints after death. The lobes construction retract the creases, however, would remain the same. They are cartilage and it would take a minimum of 24 hours to make a change of the kind of that kind.

Aside [00:35:00] from color, the ears of a post-motor photo are not the same as Epstein’s. Here. We have one person, w Davis Merit, md. Wow. I am an ear and nose and throat surgeon. I operate on ears. Those ears are not from the same person. He says, I cannot attest to the source of validity of the photos.

But all it takes is a hair sample from one of his houses or a prior specimen from surgery, and then a dete, DNA test of a specimen of the corpse. Which of course we’re not going to get. So what I immediately tried to do when I saw all of this, ‘cause I was like, yeah, that those ears clearly do not look the same when you draw those little images on them, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah. People were like putting the ears into Ms Paint or whatever. And then just tracing over the

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. But even without the images that are sort of traced on them I, I can just look at the two without the images and I like that they include the two without the images and then be like. Those look like different ears.

So yeah.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I dug into winded ears change, how do they change through our lives, et cetera. And the bigger change that could have happened [00:36:00] isn’t post death, but as changed.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So I then said, okay, that picture they’re using a for comparison looks pretty young.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So can I find a picture that looks from around the same, or at least later, A

Simone Collins: cute, clever girl.

Speaker: Clever girl.

Simone Collins: Oh.

Malcolm Collins: So the best image I have found for this, unfortunately has some images over his ear, but you can still kind of see it if you look on compare the ear in that image to the ear of the cadaver.

You see, it looks much more similar. The, the thing that I’m really looking for in the ear is if you look at that little weird dangly bit that he has Yeah. The

Simone Collins: ear doodle

Malcolm Collins: one is, is the weird dangly bit that he has that doesn’t appear to be in the Epstein alive photo or as, [00:37:00] as clearly Oh,

Simone Collins: ears are weird.

Malcolm Collins: Oh my God. And the other is the little out, out bit at the front of it, right? Yeah. The problem is, is that the other images of him that are as old, this ear, the one with the, the money sign in front of it does have the dangly bit looking small like that. And it does have the the extrusion on the other side looking similar.

Simone Collins: Yeah. His ear doodle is, yeah. ‘cause the, in, in, if you’re looking at the cadaver versus young image of him, his ear doodle is super long when he is younger. And then it got shorter. And if you look at the, the other old picture that Malcolm dug up, his ear doodle is shorter. Yeah, it’s not long. Much more. And then if you, the other one, so at the age, ski doodle shortened,

Malcolm Collins: this is, this is one of him in the red sweatshirt

Simone Collins: okay. Now, oh yeah. That’s a short ear doodle.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: That

Malcolm Collins: looks almost exactly like the cadavers.

Simone Collins: This ear doodle got way shorter.

Yeah. Oh my gosh. People were just being silly. They were just getting old photos.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. They’re just

Simone Collins: not

Malcolm Collins: looking at more modern [00:38:00] photos

Simone Collins: and actually look at his nose too. No,

Malcolm Collins: no, but his nose is harder to explain his nose. When he’s dead does look genuinely different from his nose in either of these.

Simone Collins: No, no, no, no.

His, his, his nose looks more rounded in, in the red shirt photo. So the, the difference why

Malcolm Collins: more rounded

Simone Collins: for those who are, who are listening the, the difference is pointed out in his nose was he had a much more rounded, we’ll say, chewy looking nose when in, in the dead cadaver video. Whereas in the younger photo and the comparison photo used by the conspiracy people, it looks very straight.

It’s very straight nose. But when you look at a, a, a later age red sweat shirted photo of Jeffrey Epstein, he does have a little more of a curve to the top of his, his nose, I think. Yeah, I think my, which would make sense, I think like what noses and ears get bigger ish when you grow grafts because other parts of your body recede due to collagen loss, right?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So, basically I see this one [00:39:00] as. Possibly something to look into, but

Simone Collins: I don’t, no, I’m, I’m calling it, I’m, this is labeled nothing Burger in my mind I find

Malcolm Collins: well, actually is very important because if that is the cadaver of Jeffrey Epstein, it means that the cop who said he saw him being wheeled out in a wheelchair was wrong.

Because this was taken in, in the facility, right? So, it would mean that they may have had, and this is where it gets interesting, ‘cause I didn’t know this

Simone Collins: unless, unless they wheeled them out in a wheelchair and then, I’m sorry. We were just wa watching Apothecaries diaries last night and someone took a mysterious potion that made them appear dead so that they could escape from a certain situation.

It’s, it’s not implausible that they put him into some kind of coma that made him appear dead. What, what I would say is

Malcolm Collins: if this operation was done as well as everyone thinks it’s done, they didn’t have just a random. Body match. They probably had something that looked a lot closer to him,

Simone Collins: or they really, really, really heavily sedated him like they did wheel him out in a wheelchair [00:40:00] at that time.

Malcolm Collins: Maybe. Well, no, no. The official narrative is they didn’t wheel him out in a wheelchair. If he was actually wheeled out in a wheelchair, that means something really fishy happened. ‘cause all the official narratives say that didn’t happen.

Simone Collins: Yeah. But the four chan guy did. And that was the most compelling thing you surfaced.

Malcolm Collins: Right. But if he’s right, that means that there was never a cadaver in the MC Oh, he said this happened before all of this. So he couldn’t have been in the M mcc C for these pictures. It would have to be a fake body. But the other interesting thing is that police admit there was a fake body.

Simone Collins: Wait, wait, what?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, we haven’t gotten to that yet. We’ll get to that in just a second.

Simone Collins: Sorry. Wait.

Malcolm Collins: I keep learning things. I’m like, wait, what?

Simone Collins: Why are people so stuck on like. These other loops when there’s this to talk about what you’re, you’re running this right away, right? You’re not gonna sit on this episode? No. I’m not gonna sit on this. This is, [00:41:00] I wanna share this, your friends. Okay.

Thanks. Okay,

Malcolm Collins: so you’re excited to see people’s

Simone Collins: reaction to this. I wanna see yes. How like. What else are we missing? I just, okay, let’s go, let’s go. Tell me. Go, go, go, go. Okay,

Malcolm Collins: so the other one is the tattoo that he had a barbed wire tattoo on it. And it’s so funny, if you ask an AI about this, it’ll go like, oh no, this was debunked by the, the morticians report and the, the Chief Medical Examiner’s report, and I’m like, if the conspiracy is true, of course they didn’t see it.

The conspiracy is that it wasn’t on the body, right? And it’s in older photos. And not just, well,

Simone Collins: what if he got, what if that was a temporary tattoo?

Malcolm Collins: There is a claim that in a 2017 deposition excerpt where Epstein is asked, quote, the tattoo on your arm of barbed wire, and he allegedly responds, yes, here’s the problem.

This deposition excerpt is not in the Epstein files [00:42:00] and I cannot confirm it as authentic at all. It appears to be entirely fabricated. Then there is a picture purportedly showing Epstein bare chested with the tattoo on his arm. There are two problems with this. One is, is that it is confirmed as an AI generated image, and the second is is that it looks like an AI generated image.

If you look at it the, where the tattoo is on his arm looks very, very smooth. Mm-hmm. While the rest of his body is very, very hairy. And that would be harder for AI to replicate is hair on top of a tattoo. Mm-hmm. Whereas if it was going to try to put a fake tattoo on his arm, it would have it look smooth.

And then three, the reason I really don’t believe this is, this would be something that would come up. Everywhere in the records. If he had a tattoo, this would be noted When he’s put into prison, this would be noted when he goes on trial, this would be noted every time he goes to the beach. Yet we have a single photo of this tattoo.

Not multiple [00:43:00] photos. Not

Simone Collins: also, this is not the tattoo that Epstein would get.

Malcolm Collins: It’s also not the tattoo. Epstein would get

Simone Collins: like, it. It, yeah. Like I would, this is, this is like the, the male version of a tramp stamp. I don’t,

Malcolm Collins: you tell me you had like a Zelda tattoo or something. I’d believe it, right?

Simone Collins: Like, yeah.

Or some stupid, you know, religious imagery, some kind of triangle. I would Latin

Malcolm Collins: word or something,

Simone Collins: or, yeah, exactly. But like, you know, or, yes. A wire. Come on guys. Famous quote. No, yeah. No, I’m sorry, but like, yeah. That that ain’t it is real. It’s

Malcolm Collins: not just a bad hoax. It’s like a poorly thought through

Simone Collins: battle.

I know. Come on. Like, choose better and just find any stupid quote or like philosopher that he refers to in any email ever, and just take a quote from them and change it into Latin and put it on his body. But don’t anyway. Yeah, you’re right. I think that’s a, a very good analysis. I, I concur, sir.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And note here, we’re not going over the, the stuff like the inconsistencies was [00:44:00] hanging and everything like that.

You’ve gotta go to our other video on Epstein. I’m not gonna waste fans’ time to have already gone through our analysis of the missing photo time because there was missing minutes. There was, and it appears Simpson. There is a further edited out time. Yeah. Which I might cover briefly here. I’ve covered the doctor’s reports but if this theory is true.

Pretty much everything tied to the other theory was specifically what Epstein wanted us to think. He specifically wanted the debate to be about whether or not he was murdered. So people weren’t asking, is he still alive?

Simone Collins: All right. So yes, the, the doubt was meant to be around how he died, not whether he died.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yes.

Simone Collins: Okay. Smart. Cool.

Malcolm Collins: Yes.

Simone Collins: Misdirection, classic magicians trick. Look over here while I put poem something. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: We also talked a lot about the guards in that video.

Simone Collins: Which

Malcolm Collins: again, could be relevant to this, could not be relevant to this.

Simone Collins: Wow. Wait. No, but go on [00:45:00] the, the, the bo the fake body.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Can

Simone Collins: you talk about the fake body?

Malcolm Collins: The first public report came at 8:45 AM e via a BBC news reporter, Aaron T’s tweet. There appears to have been a report of Jeffrey Epstein’s death at a Manhattan Hospital, ABC’s main account, followed at 8:59 AM ET. This puts the four chan post. So this was the four chan post. 38 minutes to 40 minutes ahead.

This was what I was talking about earlier.

Simone Collins: Oh.

Malcolm Collins: The other element you mentioned is a leaked New York Times photo from August 10th, 2019, showing Epstein on a gurney being wheeled into the hospital. His face is visible, uncovered, appears to be somewhat pinkish, and there’s no body bag leading to theories that he’s alive or the scene was faked.

This ties to broader body thought, conspiracies. The photo was taken by paparazzo or bystander outside the hospital, admitted media frenzy. Epstein was transported alive or recently deceased for the official procurement. So standard protocol might not require full covering if recitation [00:46:00] was ongoing, or it just ended recently.

2026 DOJ files released reveal a twist. Jail officers had allegedly staged a quote unquote decoy operation to sneak the real body out. Later, they used boxes in sheets to mimic a body, loaded it into a white van, labeled medical examiners to distract the media while the actual body was moved discreetly via another exit.

This was to avoid paparazzi capturing graphic images, but it backfired by sparking more suspicion when the details leaked. And so the photo of him without his face being covered and looking alive ish or pinkish is a real photo. We do know that, but people say, oh, it’s plausible. But then the thing is, it’s like, okay, but they’re already saying they had a fake.

Right Now we know the fake wasn’t made to look exactly like Epstein. But now I’m thinking, well, okay, so let’s assume the first cop is right. Right. And this was actually a real coverup. That would mean that the fake was made to look exact. They had [00:47:00] a two fakes. They had one that was like a very obviously fake, a bunch of boxes under sheets, and then the other that was a more detailed representation of Epstein or a cadaver made to look like him,

Simone Collins: or just, I mean, like a prosthetic body or whatever, like a fake body.

You can do that.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. This was a thing that, that’s new to just the missing minutes. So additionally, metadata analysis of DOJs release files indicates a larger edit, nearly three minutes, specifically two minutes and 53 seconds were trimmed from one of the source clips just before the jump, shortening the original from four hour 19 minutes to exclude the footage at 11 58 58 mm.

This video also appears to be a screen recording rather than a raw export with visible cursor menus on the screen at times, allowing for post-processing. Now attorney Pam Bondy stated that the 2025 was missing a minute due to a [00:48:00] nightly reset, except now there’s additional missing time on top of that minute,

Simone Collins: well, it’s the second nightly res reset, and then there’s the 11 Zs and then the lunch reset.

And then

Malcolm Collins: however, this has been contradicted by multiple sources. A high level government insider familiar was the investigation told CBS news that there was no such reset and that the DOJs Inspector General IG report from 2023 makes no mention of any missing minute or nightly gaps. Comparison to footage from other nights as analyzed by media investigators do not show simpler resets or cuts raising questions about why that specific night has these anomalies.

Now note here, these anomalies do something else that was always confusing for me.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. So they had two minutes and 53 seconds to get him out. And those two minutes and 53 seconds occur at around midnight, right at around 1158. Okay?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So that’s really not enough time to strangle someone. If somebody was gonna go into his cell and set up a fake strangulation and then sneak out on [00:49:00] time I was like, that’s really cutting it clo, like not just cutting it close, but just difficult, right?

Like,

Simone Collins: well, can, I mean, can you just snap the neck?

Malcolm Collins: Right, but you still had to set it all up. Remember, he hung himself in this really weird way.

Simone Collins: Elaborate. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: He had to like, put additional pressure because he didn’t actually have enough space to hang himself. Mm-hmm. And some people are like, you couldn’t even do it.

Like that. Note here, if you wanna get into all the stuff about the, the way his, his bones broke, that seems implausible. For a, a hanging or the, the directionality of the rope that seems implausible. Go to our prev previous video on this. Um mm-hmm. Like really you’re gonna get almost no overlap between the two videos ‘cause we’re covering totally new ground here.

But

Simone Collins: that’s our service to you is based camp.

Malcolm Collins: We respect your time. But that stuff required time to set up. Yeah. That, that unique hanging strategy that he was using, right? That, that would certainly, you have to first kill him.

And he died of asphyxiation. Even though he had the the damage to [00:50:00] his bones. It wasn’t like they broke his spine. That would’ve been very easy to check, right? Mm-hmm. So he died of asphyxiation at the very least. So that takes time. That doesn’t happen instantaneously right now, suppose he was actually alive, though.

Three minutes seems perfectly plausible to open a cell door and escort a somebody who, who is interested in going with you, and then setting up a, a body double. That’s

Simone Collins: true. That’s,

Malcolm Collins: that’s much more plausible for a three day gap. The old

Simone Collins: Indiana Jones switcheroo,

Malcolm Collins: the Indiana Jones switcheroo.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: So.

That is, that is not good for them. And also the timing is interesting here. The fact that that happened at midnight. Mm-hmm. You know, they didn’t find out about him being gone like dead and, and, and begin to act on all this, I think until around 5:00 AM. Yeah. And the other guy said he saw him being wheeled out at around 4:30 AM mm-hmm.

So if you helped him sneak out at [00:51:00] midnight mm-hmm. And then you took him somewhere, stashed him, changed the way he was dressed or something like that, got him in a wheelchair. I can see that. Taking a few hours, you know, waiting on like gaps in patrols and stuff like that. Then you wheel him out and that aligns was the time windows that we’re seeing here.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Securing transport and everything. Or possibly even getting, I don’t know, like the molds to make the mask of the body that you’re putting in. I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t know. I don’t know. But yeah, there, there’s stuff to do when you’re switching out. People.

Malcolm Collins: The final conspiracy chain that we’ll pull on here is, did anything weird happen with his body?

So, well, oh, there’s also the fact that the scene wasn’t maintained and treated as a, as a crime scene in the way it should have been maintained, really suspicious. But we see a lot of, you know, stuff from, from these sorts of individuals. Then there’s body handling irregularities. I, Epstein’s body was claimed by a quote [00:52:00] unquote unidentified associate, later revealed to be his brother marked and buried in an unmarked grave and the cell may, and the, and the cell was not treated at a crime scene.

No full inspection. Hospital log show pronouncement at 7:36 AM but some claim, minimal staff involvement including the one very verifiable claim from the guy who disappeared. Not disappeared, but seems to not need a job anymore. Hmm. So I found this interesting, the brother claim, I was like, well, if his brother was in on all this, it appears he was, see if he hired the additional, like, okay, so this is, let’s assume we’re in the world where he’s still alive.

Simone Collins: Okay?

Malcolm Collins: He get brother to hire a investigator and have the investigator tell everyone, no, this was a murder, not an un alive.

And then that controversy prevents anyone from asking the other question, which is, is he still alive? And so I was like, well then it doesn’t matter if his brother says that he was the unidentified person who picked up Epstein. That doesn’t matter ‘cause his brother’s in on the whole thing, right? But it turns out that there’s a lot of court documents and all of this.

So the fact that his body was picked up by un unnamed associate [00:53:00] isn’t that big a deal. I mean, I’m still like, why does the brother want to be an unnamed associate? Everyone’s gonna eventually find out it’s his brother. Right? And it’s not weird to pick up your brother’s court, even if your brother’s like a mass murderer.

Who else? Somebody’s gotta pick it up, right? The

Simone Collins: endless family. Yeah. I mean, he

Malcolm Collins: is the logical choice here. There is a very interesting chain here about him trying to get in with Putin. But it appears,

what

Simone Collins: does this have to do with his death?

Malcolm Collins: It could be how he had the means to escape prison.

But I, I’m honestly not seeing smoking gun, like with the Putin stuff, it’s more sort of pathetic. ‘cause it seems that Putin blew him off for a long time, even though he clearly had good contraband on people. Putin’s like, I don’t know. I don’t wanna, I don’t want to get involved with that Epstein guy.

Do you mean

Simone Collins: come from that?

Malcolm Collins: Whatever you want to call it, sweetheart. I don’t speak, but anyway. So you

Simone Collins: don’t speak call me.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I don’t speak that calm tongue. Eventually does seem to [00:54:00] have been working with him, but that can be for separate video. ‘cause we’re going long here. We can also talk about the Steve Bannon weird attempt to, gentrify Epstein’s reputation after

Simone Collins: gentrify.

Malcolm Collins: Everyone knew he was a, a child predator.

Simone Collins: To d degen him.

Like, I don’t even get what Bannon was thinking. , It’s, it’s not like Epstein got caught with say, like, vosh stuff, like weird, furry or horse whatever, , porn or something, or some weird hint high. , Which is one of those things where it’s like, yeah, it’s weird, but like I can understand you feeling bad for the guy and wanting to rehabilitate him.

, . It was actual children, you know, like real human beings. And Bannon knew this. And then he also was sex trafficking. And Benon knew this, and like Benin’s takeaway was, [00:55:00] yeah, why don’t I spend a lot of money putting together like a professional full length documentary trying to rehabilitate your image within like the American Rights specifically because that’s Bannon’s audience.

What? Why? Excuse me.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. That was not necessarily awesome. So anyways, Simone but I’ve always not liked what Steve Bannon represents. He, he literally feels like a, a deep state bureaucrat type. He’s, he is the deep state of the right.

Simone Collins: Oh, so that’s why you call him a swamp creature. I was like, I don’t know. You’re mixing metaphors the wrong way.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, he is, he is MAGA deep state. He is MAGA institutionalism. And where MAGA suffers is where people like him try to enforce institutionalist values on the MAGA ecosystem.

Simone Collins: Interesting. Okay.

That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And I personally bristle against that, you know, embrace. The renegades. Don’t try to enforce [00:56:00] your top down hierarchical way of running everything. But of course, somebody who’s really tight with Epstein is gonna see the world that way. It’s, it’s, it’s for the elite to, to manage things.

And elite is defined by whether you’re in the right social networks and you say the right thing and you act the right way. And everyone else is a, is a non-elite. Yeah. And I find that to be a very to me it’s a repellent way of seeing the world. It, it makes me like sort of bristle and like I don’t want to deal with that.

Whereas here’s a great example of like where he’s different from Trump, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Nick Fuentes ends up showing up at Trump’s estate, and people can know I have my political differences with Nick Fuentes, but he engages Trump with like, ye has a bunch of ideas that Trump finds very exciting and Trump like, takes him to lunch and has this long conversation with him where they just like nerd out about like statistics and,

Simone Collins: oh, must have been a really FI wish I were,

Speaker 4: Unit 1 0 1. Did you know? Did you know one F three aliens have [00:57:00] some sort of weapon built into their physiology? Are aliens inherently violent? Hmm. Interesting. How did you know some aliens are single mothers on a genetic level? I wonder if it affects the behavior of the children. Hmm. Curious. Tell about per capita.

Speaker 6: I’m getting to it.

Malcolm Collins: because Trump doesn’t actually look down on people.

Like he, he actually is very much like, oh yeah, whatev, you

Simone Collins: see, he’s a yes and kind of person. Yeah. Well, I’ve, I, my favorite thing that I’ve heard about him recently is that he’s the kind of guy where in a meeting. If, if he feels like he can solve a problem, he’ll just like pick up a phone and be like, let’s solve it right now.

Like, let’s do this. And I love that kind of person who’s like, okay, I’m gonna call this person. Like, maybe they can just make this go away. And he will use his business connections or whatever to do it. He’s very yes. And get her done. And I love that. Not like Steve Bannon procedure, Steve and you showed up

Malcolm Collins: at, at, you know, his, his Breitbart or something and [00:58:00] you were, Nick Fuentes was Yee he’s just gonna have security yell at you or something, right?

Mm-hmm. Like, very different approaches to people he sees as beneath him.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. That is fair enough. This was fascinating. If, if Epstein is alive, man, he must be having so much fun.

Malcolm Collins: He probably watches Basecamp if Epstein is alive.

Simone Collins: Oh, come

Malcolm Collins: on. Have you seen his

Simone Collins: interest? I guess he is terminally, yeah, he was terminally online it seems.

Although I was, I don’t know though, because I was listening to old audio of him. I think talking. To a former Prime Minister, I think of Israel. I can’t remember which one. Maybe it was bb, I can’t remember. But he was trying to spell and or pronounce Palantir and just butchering it. And I mean, everyone just talking about how terrible he was at emails too, but like he wasn’t in with the tech, right.

He was [00:59:00] like, there’s this guy, Peter, Peter Thiel the, the best. I haven’t met him. But like he just didn’t seem to really be in with the tech.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: Yeah. There,

Malcolm Collins: there is no Peter Thiel in the files as far as I know.

Simone Collins: No, I think they met at some point. And Peter Thiel was interviewed about him. But.

At least at a certain point in time, he was really not in with the Silicon Valley elite.

Malcolm Collins: So

Simone Collins: the really

Malcolm Collins: what’s funny is people have said the reason why people are like Peter Thiel and Elon and Trump seem to have been resistant to him, is that they already had harems. So he had nothing to offer them, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: It’s like, I got a heroin at home buddy. Like, I don’t need to go to your creepy island.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: My heroin’s vetted, you know?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And this is the thing where people will be like, well, Trump has done sexual whatever bad things in the past. It’s like, yeah, he absolutely has. But I don’t think he did them with Epstein.

I think the biggest smoking gun we have on Trump at Epstein is not from this release of files, but the birthday card. The birthday card [01:00:00] is by far the biggest smoking gun we have on Trump. And it’s not even that, like, that

Simone Collins: smoking, I don’t know. I feel like that it was, it was one of those like, hello fellow perv just like.

Old powerful men liked to joke about, or at least at a time when it was considered chic to do so, liked to joke about how they were old powerful men and like, ha ha, boobs. Ha, I mean, like it, it was, it’s the old rich man version of like joking about boobs as like a teen boy. You know what I mean?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. But he used the term young.

Simone Collins: That was Jeffrey’s thing.

Malcolm Collins: Well, yeah, and Trump apparently was aware. I mean, he said it in other

Simone Collins: videos, he joked about it. He’s like, he likes some really young, yeah, I mean like, no, like

Malcolm Collins: this guy is like two reporters, like maybe look into that like

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. He is. I love the way he talks.

Malcolm Collins: One of my biggest fears recently is I’ve been talking to Simone.

‘cause I look at Jeffrey’s stuff on like genetic engineering of children and like cloning and his attempts to set that up. And I’m like, could we have known [01:01:00] him? Like if, if he was still active today, would we be in the Epstein files? Like

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I, I told Simone almost certainly he would’ve found some way to contact us.

We would’ve replied because I’m interested. I mean, if he’s setting up a lab, I want to know about it. Right?

Simone Collins: No, but like, I think had we known about his his creepy

Malcolm Collins: right. But I’m, I’m saying if, if all that’s not out yet.

Simone Collins: But it was out like in 2008, wasn’t it? It was like this stuff

Malcolm Collins: was really public.

Right. I, a timeline all of that never gets out.

Simone Collins: Oh, if, okay. So had he never become a sex offender and gone to

Malcolm Collins: jail? No. He was a sex offender. Just people didn’t know. That was most of the people when Bill Gates was interacting with him, when Stephen Hawking was interacting with him, they didn’t know. They had no way to know he was a sex offender.

Simone Collins: I’m pretty sure everyone knew.

Malcolm Collins: I’m pretty sure they were both well before the sex offender. No,

Simone Collins: I think I’ve heard Bill Gates saying in an interview that he made a mistake in doing that and it was,

Malcolm Collins: yeah. He made a mistake in talking to [01:02:00] him. Not, not because of the, he made a mistake because it was Jeffrey Epstein and all of this happened.

Not because he should have known he was a bad guy.

Simone Collins: No, I’m pretty sure that the issue is that these people No. That these people knew ‘cause it was also quite prominent the story of him going to jail and stuff.

Malcolm Collins: You couldn’t just Google things back then as easily

Simone Collins: do Malcolm. Yes, you could. You forget how

Malcolm Collins: the two, the two strings we’re not pulling on in this ‘cause it’s for a different day, different topic if you guys wanna hear about it.

Yeah. Is their affiliations with Reddit and four chan and how they influence God online culture. Yeah. Maybe crypto as well. Anyway, love you Simone. Bet you didn’t expect to find such compelling evidence that he might still be alive

Simone Collins: anon, bro. Are you okay?

Malcolm Collins: I hope so. God. Well, how has nobody heard from this guy yet?

How has nobody tracked him

Simone Collins: down? Oh [01:03:00] man. Who did his job, but he got his pay out. You know what?

Yeah. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Bye. I mean, we all hope, we hope that that is what happened to the poor security guard who went on Reddit and said, I think I just saw Jeffrey Epstein being wheeled out.

Simone Collins: Thanks.

Malcolm Collins: All right. Have a good one..

As a final note, I didn’t think to bring it up in the episode ‘cause it was such an obvious hoax, but then I saw Knucks cover it, so I think I have to bring it up. , There’s this photo of, , Jeffrey Epstein in Israel looking older and with a beard, and it is very obviously an AI fake. If you look at either the Hebrew text in the background, which is just gibberish or elements like the guy’s foot.

Which has an AI logo over it. We only ask for the smallest amount of incredulity guys.

The other video that seems maybe a bit more credible is this drone footage that claims to be from 10 day after his death showing Epstein on [01:04:00] Epstein Island.

Speaker 2: Uh.

Um.

The final area where we can do an update video, , is a debate of whether jerky was used as code for human meat in the Epstein files. , Simone believes very strongly that jerky was specifically a code for drugs because we don’t see another code for drugs. And we often see the code jerky being used, we sent it in for lab testing.

We sent it in for lab testing. I mean, she’s like, well, you would send drugs in for lab testing. But I’m like, but you might also send you a meet in for lab testing if you’re not sure what diseases it may have. And you got it from a random source. And keep in mind, there’s the emails that even Simone admits this one’s hard for her to get around that say that, , they were having a chef.

, The eating it at a restaurant called cannibal. I don’t think there’s a real restaurant called cannibal. , She thinks that’s just somebody, you know, perversion, maxing in the way that they’re talking about something. , But that seems too [01:05:00] convenient for me. The other one is, somebody said they were having a meal of jerky and steak.

Why would you have a meal of drugs and steak? . And, , the, the other big one is, , refrigeration of the jerky that they talk about. Meaning they’re obviously not talking about jerky, jerky, jerky, but she’s thinking, oh, well that’s a, that’s a, you know, drugs. , And she’s like, it’s weird that we don’t see any other mention of drugs given that these sorts of rich people would want drugs.

And we keep seeing people jonesing after they’re jerky. And, , it’s weird to think that you would Jones after human meat, even if you were weird like that, right? And then the other thing is, well, could it be blood? I don’t think it’s blood. I don’t, I don’t see anyone being into that, that, that seems too niche.

But, , that’s the other thing. And we could do a whole episode on it if people wanted to go deep into it.

Simone Collins: What was the, people seemed happy. What were they saying? Gosh, we were viewing the comments was like a lifetime ago, like two hours. And I’ve done something

Malcolm Collins: in Cuba, if you remember.

Simone Collins: Yes. Yeah, people were just kinda like, whoa, can’t believe this is [01:06:00] happening. And also people, it’s one of those videos I

Malcolm Collins: knew wouldn’t do as well in the algorithm ‘cause it’s not as salacious,

Simone Collins: but people were glad that you brought it up ‘cause it indeed was not on their radar. And they appreciated that they could trust you to surface stuff that people aren’t discussing.

One person said that Mexico started resupplying Cuba already. So crisis really didn’t check. I think that’s gonna

Malcolm Collins: change the timeline a lot, but

Simone Collins: yeah, I haven’t checked it in

Malcolm Collins: my latest search of this.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I,

Malcolm Collins: it, it, it delays things, but not by much.

Simone Collins: There’s still,

Malcolm Collins: I mean, Mexico would need to become a major supplier and then it’s only until the next election cycle

Simone Collins: and one person pointed out that.

Yeah, there’s no way Cubans would send money back that Cubans are so rich in, in the United States that Cuban expats in the US could probably just buy Cuba with all their wealth without actually feeling much hurt, and they’re probably not wrong. So

Malcolm Collins: yeah,

Simone Collins: I mean, I bet all the Irish in the United States could buy Ireland even with all of its, [01:07:00]

Malcolm Collins: I don’t know.

Simone Collins: Those Irish

Malcolm Collins: are a bunch of drunkards. Simone, you end up Boston. And these are, these are not like Cubans, you know, sturdy, upstanding citizens who work hard. We were talking about Irish here.

Simone Collins: The Irish, okay. K five.

Malcolm Collins: Come on.

Simone Collins: A little different with the, with the Irish. Oh, well,

Malcolm Collins: yeah. A, a, a a little different.

Okay. Never been known for their business acumen. I’m joking. But it’s true. If you look at historic stereotypes the,

Simone Collins: or their cuisine, I, it’s so funny because all of the, the stereotypes about Scottish cuisine. Just completely got inverted. I, I can’t get enough of haggis. I can’t get, oh yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Scottish cuisine is amazing.

Simone Collins: It’s amazing. Irish cuisine is amazing. And then we go to Ireland and like I do actually, I quite like Irish soda bread, but I’m sorry, that is one of the most low effort breads in the entire world. And even though it’s good I don’t feel like you really get credit for it because it’s so easy. And bread and butter is, is is way too way too, like [01:08:00] easy of a, a win.

You know? I

Malcolm Collins: wonder if nons Scottish people like Scottish, you’re not Scottish in your ancestry, are you?

Simone Collins: I’m a little Scottish, I think. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Because I, but

Simone Collins: obviously

Malcolm Collins: mostly I love it and everybody’s like, oh, it’s terrible. And I’m like, no. It’s like literally the best food in the

Simone Collins: world. It’s amazing.

It’s amazing,

Malcolm Collins: by the way, you want the best dish ever, and I’m so annoyed I cannot get good hagas in the United States.

Simone Collins: Haggas balls, deep fried haggis balls.

Malcolm Collins: Well, deep fried Haus balls are amazing, but I think one of the best dishes for fusion

Simone Collins: mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Is haggis fried rice.

Simone Collins: Yeah. But also like the worst food poisoning you ever got in St.

Andrew’s was hait fried rice, wasn’t it? Yes.

Malcolm Collins: What really bad food poisoning.

Simone Collins: I’m surprised you would ever recommended it. I mean, if you’re

Malcolm Collins: making it yourself, you can do a really good job with it.

Simone Collins: Let’s say that you order haggis at a restaurant in, in Edinburgh, and then you have to, you’re at an Airbnb and you.

Wanna use what’s left over. It would be great for, like, if, if we lived there and we went out and we got haggis,

Malcolm Collins: you can just get haggis from a butcher anywhere in Scotland. It’s very easy to buy.

Simone Collins: That’s not fair.

Malcolm Collins: [01:09:00] It’s very hard to buy in the United States. It’s

Simone Collins: very easy. And I heard that like Scotland’s not doing so well.

In terms of it’s, I don’t know, like it’s going downhill. Well, it’s become like

Malcolm Collins: a totalitarian state. It’s even worse in the uk.

Simone Collins: See, that’s really disappointing because I always harbored this fantasy that I. You know, once we’re super old, we, we go buy a castle and, you know, you know, like one of those like $5 castles in Scotland by the time we’re old.

I know. That’s the thing. They’ll be dirt cheap. I mean, the money’s all in the maintenance and fixing and upkeep. So they’re actually incredibly expensive. You get to be super wealthy to actually my family have a

Malcolm Collins: castle in, in Scotland. We

Simone Collins: can just go Yeah, castle. Like the, the castle is, is, is the boat, is the island of, of the rich people world.

You buy it if you just want an endless money hole. But anyway, I had this dream that we would end up, you know, in or around Edinburgh along with all the sci-fi authors and intellectuals and, and have our grandkids just come up and stay with us there, you know, but no, it not gonna happen. We need to get a lot

Malcolm Collins: richer,

Simone Collins: [01:10:00] so we’ll

Malcolm Collins: see.

I

Simone Collins: know, I know. To be able to afford more old properties. Because, yeah, we’re already looking now at how, how we have to repair the floors of our

Malcolm Collins: homes and they’ll have VPN bands by then. And I, I wouldn’t live in a country with a V VP N band. I, I, I love some of our fans. Were like, no, it doesn’t necessarily mean, so

Simone Collins: if you have starlink vp, if you have starlink, do you, are you still subject to

Malcolm Collins: that?

This, the country would likely make it illegal to sell? Starlink was in the country and they’ll have easy ways of tracking if you’re using starlink. Ah,

Simone Collins: okay.

Malcolm Collins: Keep in mind the UK used to drive vans around to see who had TVs in their houses to hit them with.

Simone Collins: I heard that in the end. That was mostly performative.

I mean, now it doesn’t

Malcolm Collins: No, I know, but no, I’m just showing how that’s how dystopian they’re Okay. Was being seen is going right. Like

Simone Collins: Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: they’re clearly performative dystopia. Anybody who is promoting a porn band is promoting an eventual VPN ban. Mm-hmm. And they were like, no, that’s not true. Look at the uk.

It hasn’t happened yet. And I’m like, yeah, but it’s already on the table in the uk It’s on the table in almost every country that has a porn ban. I actually feel like,

Simone Collins: I like this concept of performative dystopia. I [01:11:00] feel like even liberals would really love to just cosplay. Handmaid’s Tale like Gid or Gilead,

Malcolm Collins: they do,

Simone Collins: they, they under his eye, they wanna walk around with their little bonnets in their capes.

They’re so cute. You know, what am I? Nice.

Malcolm Collins: But I mean, the level of I, I, I think the people who pretend like porn bands don’t lead to VPN bands are the types that have this deontological logic and like, don’t actually look at what’s happening in the countries that already have porn bands and think through the long-term ramifications.

Simone Collins: Oh yeah, guys, I, I told Malcolm that you, you hate his VP n take on porn bands. And he,

Malcolm Collins: but it’s true. Every country that has done it is now tabling VPN bands as a potential political option. He got that using pornography is motivation for that. See,

Simone Collins: he got mad.

Malcolm Collins: It’s a, it’s just a timeline. When the two things happen thing you, you are opening the doors on that one because you effectively don’t have a porn band.

If you don’t have a VPN band, you have a a, a funny little law on the books. That means functionally nothing. Which is why, I mean, they’re not wrong in pointing [01:12:00] that out.

Simone Collins: No, it’s true. Yeah.

Speaker 7: She’s American. Oh, look at this.

Speaker 8: I saw an American flag. Whoa, the American flag. Really good. Are you an American? Yeah. Is America the best? Yeah. Are you gonna make the whole World America one day? How? Certainly

over

my over, over.

Speaker 7: That’s a good plan.

That’s why we named you Octavian. Don’t. Then we will kill you. That’s a good plan, buddy. Yeah. Whoever says yes is surviving, and whoever says no, and, and I’ll say whoever says yes, whoever [01:13:00] says yes is gonna stay alive. Whoever says no is gonna die. It’s a little intense, buddy. You sure about that? Yeah. Do it.

Speaker 8: I, I guess you’re all gonna get hands. I guess we’re all gonna to say yes. Yeah, yeah, I know. Are you worried about killing people? Like maybe that’s unethical. No, I’m just trying to make a whole American brown.

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