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The Power of Optimism to Enact Change

Tessa Wong: I think a lot of people who don't really know what's going on might think, Oh, God, is that going to be war? You know, that's the perennial question. But I don't think so. She says it's very obvious that China would never risk war with Taiwan. Selena Godin: Do you believe in the power of optimism to enact change? And she'll join Tessa for an interview about her new book Pessimism is for lightweights.

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