
Interview: The Tools with Phil Stutz
You Are Heroic with Brian Johnson
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Higher Forces and the Reversal of Desire
The idea of higher forces which you go into throughout the book and again we just spent a lot of time talking about the first tool the reversal of desire um dealing with the problem of avoiding things whether it's pain or fear or any problem. The point is the state of the person in this case brian that was asking me the questions that was guiding me got into me as a as a higher force that particular one is called outflow.
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