Bret Taylor, co-founder of Sierra and Chair of the OpenAI board, joins John for a pint to discuss the rapid shift toward an agentic future. In this episode, Bret explains why outcome-based pricing is the future of software business models, and why he believes the atomic unit of AI productivity is a process, not a person. They cover why big companies struggle to adopt AI because they are “shipping their org charts.” Bret also discusses a new type of hyper-generalist, reflects on his experience with the OpenAI and Twitter boards, and explains why he believes we might see the end of the smartphone era.
Timestamps
(00:00:26) Coding
(00:16:23) Sierra
(00:27:14) Agentic UX
(00:38:47) Building support agents
(00:45:43) Co-developing with the models
(00:50:08) SaaSpocalypse
(01:00:50) Stripe Sessions
(01:01:33) Outcome-based pricing
(01:09:14) Is Sierra short AGI?
(01:13:50) AI productivity
(01:23:47) How to structure a tech business
(01:30:25) Board drama
(01:38:24) AI predictions
