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Allan Savory has lived almost a century between two worlds: USA and his birthplace near Victoria Falls in Zimbabwe. In this conversation we go beyond “ideas” and into the hard question Savory has spent his life on: why well-intended decisions so often create unintended consequences — and what changes when we manage from a clear holistic context instead of reacting to symptoms.

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Savory shares the backstory behind his new memoir and the pivotal period (and pressures) that shaped Holistic Management: small-population governance dynamics, exile, inter-agency training in the U.S., and an uncompromising habit he insists leaders must adopt: assume you’re wrong — then build feedback loops to catch it early.

This episode is also a challenge to modern language: when words like regenerative become slogans, the work turns vague. Savory argues the real shift is not a label — it’s a decision framework that ties life, economy, and the living world together.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

* Why “management” is the real issue (not single villains or silver bullets) — and why context determines outcomes.

* How “assume you’re wrong” becomes a practical system: proactive feedback loops instead of confident plans that drift into regret.

* Why institutions struggle at scale (legal structures aren’t human) — and what changes when people remember they’re using the institution, not serving it.

CTAIf this conversation resonates, share it with one person who influences decisions (a founder, a policymaker, a land steward, a community builder). Then hit subscribe so you don’t miss the follow-up threads on holistic context, governance, and the language traps that dilute real change.

Regenerative question to sit with:Before your next “solution,” what’s the smallest feedback signal you could track that would tell you—early—that you’re wrong, so you can correct course without causing harm?

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