Was Obama Provoking Trump on UFOs?

In this episode, Jesse Michels joins me to break down the recent back and forth between Barack Obama and Donald Trump on aliens and UFOs, and what it really means when former and current presidents speak publicly about the phenomenon.

We react in real time to the President’s latest tweet and unpack whether this is political theater, strategic signaling, or something much deeper.

Jesse also shares a never been told story involving Harold Malmgren