The Disarming and Appalling Nature of Conversations

I think we wanted to show that a lot of the stuff that Kemper says is on record. And he is oddly eloquent, you know, in a way about even his own empathetic shortcomings. But there's an aspect to his sharing that can't be written off as anything other than a kind of narcissism. So anybody who puts their sort of sexual gratification above the importance of another person breathing has kind of recused themselves of certain respects. We were trying to talk about the compelling and yet appalling nature of these conversations.