MVP's at-risk pricing investment thesis

“Show me an incentive structure and I'll show you human behavior... until employers realize they have more power than they give themselves credit for, this can't continue."

My guest this week is Norm Volsky, Managing Partner at DRI and Founder of MVP Growth Partners. Norm has spent the last decade as one of the top executive recruiters in the digital health and employer benefits space - placing the commercial teams that helped build unicorns like Livongo and Hinge Health.

In this episode, Norm explains why the next wave of healthcare innovation isn't about adding more "point solutions" to an already fatigued market. Instead, smart money is betting on companies that carve out high-margin, inefficient services directly from the major insurance carriers - like radiology, fertility, and specialty infusion.

We discuss how Norm built an "army" of over 500 industry executives to crowdsource due diligence, why the traditional VC model fails in healthcare, and why employers and their benefits leaders are finally at a watershed moment where they must demand true fiduciary alignment from their vendors.

If you want to know where the smart money is moving in employer healthcare, and why the "BUCA" carriers should be worried, this episode is a must-listen.

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Chapters:

[00:00:00] Intro: Recruiting in the Early Days of Digital Health

[00:04:12] The Livongo Story: Selling Healthcare Direct to Employers

[00:08:44] What Makes a Great Salesperson in Healthcare?

[00:11:46] Spotting the Next Unicorn: The Hinge Health Experience

[00:17:28] Private Equity vs. Venture Capital

[00:20:00] Using Recruitment Data to Drive VC Investments

[00:23:41] The "One Imaging" Pitch & Carving Out Radiology

[00:30:40] Building an Army: Crowdsourcing VC Due Diligence

[00:36:26] Why MVP Growth Partners Only Invests in "At-Risk" Pricing

[00:41:40] Point Solution Fatigue & Identifying the "Good Actors"

[00:46:17] Why Employers Must Demand Fiduciary Responsibility

[00:50:41] The Future: The Erosion of the Big 3 PBMs and Carriers

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