Trade Unions - They Want to Teach Us a Lesson

Union disputes are upheld. They're out of confrontation. Nobody wants to get- That is the mindset, isn't it? There's no win or you'll lose. We need to get a result. Whether anyone will win in inverted commas, you know, being chaired out with me in the champagne cork's line I don't think that's going to happen either way. In the end, it's about money and it's about other things as well, terms and conditions. But let's just stick to the money first.