When external voices land better than leaders

On this episode of Mind the Gap, Tom Sherrington and Emma Turner are joined by Sam Crome, teacher, leader and author of The Power of Teams, to explore what it really takes to build teams that thrive in schools. Sam reflects on why so much leadership development is still overly individualistic, and shares the practical principles behind strong teams - belonging, alignment, purposeful operations, healthy dynamics, and deliberate development - alongside the habits that make meetings genuinely productive rather than performative. The conversation also draws on Sam’s recent move from secondary leadership into an interim primary headship, teasing out what changes (and what doesn’t) when a “team” becomes a small, agile staff group who can try, refine, and embed improvements at pace. Along the way they discuss cross-phase transition and why primary pupils’ appetite for responsibility and leadership is often underused in Key Stage 3, the “tyranny of the first response” in group discussions, and how simple structures (like paired talk) can surface quieter expertise and build trust for honest, high-challenge conversations.

Sam Crome is currently Interim Headteacher at a primary school in Surrey. He also serves as Director of Education, Mission and People for Xavier Catholic Education Trust, providing both strategic vision and planning, alongside day-to-day school support, so that all children and staff can flourish. Sam is convinced that teams are the way to improve our workload, productivity, professional learning, performance, and the joy we can experience at work. His interest in teams led him to write the book The Power of Teams. Find Sam at https://samcrome.com/

Tom Sherrington has worked in schools as a teacher and leader for 30 years and is now a consultant specialising in teacher development and curriculum & assessment planning. He regularly contributes to conferences and CPD sessions locally and nationally and is busy working in schools and colleges across the UK and around the world. Follow Tom on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@teacherhead⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Emma Turner FCCT is a school improvement advisor, education consultant, trainer and author. She has almost three decades of primary teaching, headship and leadership experience across the sector, working and leading in both MATs and LAs. She works nationally and internationally on school improvement including at single school level and at scale. She has a particular interest in research informed practice in the primary phase, early career development, and CPD design. Follow Emma on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@emma_turner75⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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This podcast is sponsored by Teaching WalkThrus and produced in association with Haringey Education Partnership. Find out more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://walkthrus.co.uk/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://haringeyeducationpartnership.co.uk/⁠