Embodied approaches over pure cognition

As mental health professionals, we are overdue for a change in how we approach healing and support. In this episode, Patrick Casale talks with Dr. Colleen Cira—a nationally recognized trauma expert, group practice owner, and more—about the limitations of traditional one-on-one talk therapy and the urgent need for more community-focused solutions.

Here are 3 key takeaways:

1. The Traditional Model Leaves People Out: One-on-one talk therapy is valuable, but it’s rooted in a medical model that assumes a “sick person/expert fixer” dynamic. This leaves many clients—and even therapists—feeling disconnected and unsupported.
2. Community is Essential for Healing: Dr. Colleen Cira emphasized that lasting change and resilience come when people find belonging and connection, not just intellectual insight. Group work, community events, and workshops can be more accessible and impactful for many clients.
3. Vulnerability and Relatability Matter: Both Patrick and Dr. Cira touched on the power of therapists showing up as real, imperfect humans. Modeling authenticity helps clients feel seen and safe—and avoids burnout for clinicians.

More about Dr. Colleen Cira:

Dr. Colleen Cira is a Licensed Clinical Psychologist, Nationally Recognized Trauma Expert, and the Founder and Executive Director of both Cira Center for Behavioral Health, PC (CCBH) and Cira Center Consulting, LLC (CCC).

Dr. Cira received both her Masters and Doctorate from the Illinois School of Professional Psychology and has been practicing in the field since 2001. She is a highly sought-after national neurodivergent and trauma expert who has appeared in dozens of publications, podcasts, live news, and radio, including NBC, ABC, US News and World Report, The Chicago Tribune, The Chicago Suntimes, Fast Company, Real Simple, Reader’s Digest, Yahoo! Lifestyle, Slate, and Bustle, among others. Dr. Cira was also named one of the “Top 100 Women in Chicago Making a Difference” by Today’s Chicago Woman. Dr. Cira is a trauma and anxiety expert, clinical supervisor, writer, speaker, consultant, activist, wife, and mommy.

• Website: ciracenter.org
• Instagram: @drcolleencira
• Facebook: Colleen Duffy Cira

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The Receptionist for iPad

 The Receptionist for iPad is a HIPAA-ready digital check-in system that eliminates the need to walk back and forth from your office to the waiting room to see if your next appointment has arrived. Clients or patients can check in for their appointments, and you'll be immediately notified by text, email, or your preferred channel. Break free from interruptions and make the most of your time, because it is valuable. Start a free 14-day trial of the Receptionist for iPad by going to https://thereceptionist.com/privatepractice. Make sure to start your trial with that link to get your first month free if you decide to sign up.

Alma

Thanks to Alma for sponsoring this episode.  Alma empowers you to confidently accept insurance backed by an all-in-one EHR that simplifies scheduling, documentation, and day-to-day practice operations. With a network of engaged providers and free CE courses, Alma makes it easy for you to build the practice of your dreams on your terms. Alma believes that when therapists get the support they need, mental healthcare gets better for everyone. Learn more at https://helloalma.com/ATPP.

Portland, Maine, Summit 2026

 The 2026 Doubt Yourself Do It Anyway Summit is happening for the first time in the United States in beautiful Portland, Maine, on September 1st–3rd, 2026. Portland, Maine, is a beautiful coastal city in the Atlantic Ocean. There's a lot of history there, and it's a very funky, creative, safe, walkable, diverse, and progressive city. You will get 9 NBCC CEs. We have ASWB pending—we'll make an announcement when that's finalized—and have 13 prolific industry leaders. This summit has always been about showing that our skills are applicable in so many different ways, and to motivate you to think bigger, grow in this profession, take more risks, work through self-doubt, and really embrace the doubt-yourself-do-it-anyway mentality. Spots are limited. Reserve your spot here: https://www.empoweredescapes.com/portland-maine-summit Doubt yourself. Do it anyway. See you in Maine.