Vance and the 'No Apology for Being White' Message

One year into Donald Trump’s second term, his administration is openly reframing civil rights as a threat to white Americans. From attacks on DEI to the gutting of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, Trump has moved to turn the federal government away from protecting equality and toward enforcing white grievance—under the banner of combating “anti-Christian bias,” “woke ideology,” and defending gun rights. This episode examines how those changes are playing out in real time, including the DOJ’s criminal investigation of anti-ICE protesters in St. Paul, Minnesota, and Trump’s push to rewrite American history through schools, museums, and the nation’s upcoming 250th anniversary.

Host Sarah Posner is joined by Anthea Butler, Geraldine R. Segal Professor of American Social Thought at the University of Pennsylvania and author of White Evangelical Racism. Together they unpack how Trump’s agenda fulfills decades-long white evangelical resentment toward racial justice, why many white Christians actively support the dismantling of civil rights enforcement, and how Christian nationalism underpins efforts to re-segregate American life. From immigration crackdowns to historical revisionism, this conversation connects today’s headlines to a longer history of religious opposition to civil rights—and why resistance, public pressure, and historical memory still matter.

Additional Resources:

Anthea Butler, White Evangelical Racism: The Politics of Morality in America (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 2021) https://uncpress.org/9781469681511/white-evangelical-racism-second-edition/

Brian Kaylor, “Protesters Disrupt Southern Baptist Church of Pastor Who Leads ICE Office in Minnesota,” A Public Witness Substack, https://open.substack.com/pub/publicwitness/p/protesters-disrupt-southern-baptist?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email, January 18, 2026

Kyle Cheney, Hassan Ali Kanu and Josh Gerstein, “‘Unconstitutional conspiracy’: Judge slams Trump administration over targeted deportations,” Politico, January 15, 2026, https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/15/unconstitutional-conspiracy-judge-slams-trump-administration-over-targeted-deportations-00733070

People for the American Way, “Father-Son Christian Nationalist Pseudo-Historians David And Tim Barton Are Shaping The Trump Administration's War On The Smithsonian,” January 6, 2026, https://www.peoplefor.org/rightwingwatch/father-son-christian-nationalist-pseudo-historians-david-and-tim-barton-are-shaping

Jonathan Feingold and Victor Ray, “Promoting a New Segregation,” Liberal Currents, January 2, 2026, https://www.liberalcurrents.com/promoting-a-new-segregation/

Madiba K. Dennie, “How the Trump Administration Is Quietly Resegregating the American Workforce,” Balls and Strikes, December 17, 2025, https://ballsandstrikes.org/law-politics/disparate-impact-department-justice-rollback-trump/

Kevin Kruse, “The Perversion of Justice,” Campaign Trails newsletter, January 28, 2025, https://campaign-trails.ghost.io/the-perversion-of-justice/

Creator: Sarah Posner

Producer and Engineer: Dr. Ger FitzGerald

Executive Producer: Dr. Bradley Onishi

Production Assistance: Kari Onishi

Generous funding provided by the Henry Luce Foundation.