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In this episode of the AI Agents Podcast, host Demetri Panici speaks with Kevin White, Head of Marketing at Scrunch, about how artificial intelligence is transforming SEO, brand visibility, and digital marketing strategies.

As AI platforms like ChatGPT, Perplexity, Gemini, and other large language models rapidly change how users discover products and services, marketers are facing a major shift.

Traditional SEO strategies are evolving into something much broader — where brands must now optimize not just for search engines, but also for AI-driven discovery platforms.

Kevin shares insights into how companies can benchmark their brand visibility across AI tools, monitor AI crawler activity, and optimize websites to ensure accurate representation within AI-generated responses.

The discussion dives deep into the concept of zero-click search, where users get answers directly from AI without visiting websites, and how businesses can still drive conversions despite declining traditional traffic metrics.

The conversation also explores Scrunch’s Agent Experience Platform, which helps companies detect AI bot traffic, optimize site structure for AI crawlers using structured formats like markdown and JSON, and create separate optimized experiences for both human visitors and AI agents.

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⏰ TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 – Marketing in the Age of AI

01:04 – Kevin White’s Marketing & AI Background

03:06 – Joining Scrunch & AI Marketing Opportunities

05:12 – Why Measuring AI Visibility Matters

07:55 – Zero-Click Search & AI Brand Analytics

09:05 – Optimizing Websites for AI Crawlers

10:25 – Agent Experience Platforms Explained

12:55 – How AI Bots Crawl and Interpret Websites

15:17 – Identifying AI Bot Traffic & Analytics

17:04 – Scrunch Customer Workflow & Marketing Maturity Model

19:13 – Target Customers & Market Adoption

21:02 – Real Business Results & Conversion Improvements

23:00 – Higher Conversion Rates from AI Discovery

25:05 – AI Tools Supporting Small & Medium Businesses

29:32 – AI Commerce & Future Content Monetization

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