This week I'm joined by Katherine Stewart, journalist and author of Money, Lies, and God: Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy. Her book was published in February 2025 and offers incredible insights into the various networks of influence and power that laid the groundwork for a second Trump victory. We discuss how those same networks are still at work in the US today and try to connect it to more recent developments, including the Epstein Files. Katherine had a brief window of availability, so this interview is a bit shorter.
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00:00 Teaser: The Power of Fear and Control
01:11 Guest Introduction: Katherine Stewart
02:09 The Five Groups in Anti-Democratic Movements
02:53 The Role of Funders and Foot Soldiers
05:27 Sergeants, Power Players, and Thinkers
06:46 Changes Since Trump's Election
08:35 Mindsets and Dispositions in Christian Nationalism
11:12 The Persecution Complex and Authoritarian Leadership
13:18 The Role of Elites and Information Bubbles
28:41 Recent Developments and the Epstein Files
31:45 Conclusion: Forward-Looking Strategies for Democracy
36:08 Outro and Call to Action
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