Control, False Safety, and Daily Routines

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In today’s episode, I sit down with Marisa Renee Lee for a powerful Real Time Heal conversation about long COVID, chronic symptoms, and the deeper emotional landscape that shapes our experience in the body. Marisa brings a lifetime of resilience and insight—navigating profound loss, high achievement, and now an ongoing healing journey that will feel deeply familiar to so many of you. Together, we explore how fear, control, and the nervous system interact in ways that can keep us stuck, even when we’re doing everything “right.”

This conversation is about so much more than symptoms. It’s about learning to loosen the grip of outcome-dependence, understanding what true safety feels like in the body, and beginning to live with more curiosity and self-compassion. Marisa’s honesty makes this a deeply relatable and moving session — and her willingness to go there in real time opens the door for all of us.

Marisa’s new book, Waiting for Dawn (April 2026), offers solace for anyone living in uncertainty — longing for pain to subside, grief to soften, and healing to unfold. If this conversation resonates, her work will meet you in a very real and meaningful way. Join us! XOOX n.

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