Vision: replace PBMs with transaction software

"Why are we paying $10,000 for a $30 drug?"

My guest this week is Pramod John, a former Silicon Valley tech entrepreneur who entered the healthcare space to tackle the largest economic problem in the country: skyrocketing healthcare costs. Pramod quickly realized that healthcare's dysfunction is actually not a technology problem - it is a deeply ingrained problem with economic incentives.

In this episode, we dive into the murky waters of Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs) and why the traditional model is designed to drive up costs rather than lower them. We discuss the shocking statistics of drug spend (where 2% of people account for 55% of the costs), why FDA approval doesn't always mean a drug is effective (using the infamous Alzheimer's drug as an example), and the implications of recent fiduciary lawsuits like the one against J&J.

Pramod explains how we can bring common sense back to healthcare by treating drugs like any other consumer purchase. By utilizing an "open market" drug management model, he argues that we can effectively replace traditional PBMs with transparent transaction processing software - saving plans 30% to 50% without relying on restrictive formularies or rebate games. 

Tune in this week for a clear roadmap for how to actually fix the irrational economics of our healthcare system.

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Chapters:

(00:00:00) Intro: Why We Talk About Cost Instead of Quality 

(00:02:42) From Silicon Valley & Defense Tech to McKesson 

(00:10:43) Why Healthcare is NOT a Technology Problem 

(00:15:53) Fiduciary Responsibility & The J&J Lawsuit 

(00:19:03) The Butter Knife vs. Pareto: The Math of Drug Spend 

(00:23:54) Building an "Open Market" Alternative to PBMs 

(00:29:40) Why Doctors Fly Blind on Drug Pricing & Formularies 

(00:35:42) FDA Approval vs. Real-World Efficacy 

(00:45:44) How to Actually Fix the Model: The Real-Time "Pause" 

(00:58:36) Why International Sourcing & PAPs Aren't the Fix 

(01:11:00) Replacing PBMs with Simple Transaction Software

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