When 37signals found its natural size

Profit matters, but it’s not the whole story. In this episode, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson talk about building a company around independence instead of endless growth. They reflect on finding the right size for a business, keeping costs low to preserve freedom, and choosing a long, sustainable run over chasing scale at any cost.

Key Takeaways

• 00:10 – Finding your “orbit” when you don’t need to keep pushing for more
• 03:39 – Letting go of the idea that growth has to be endless
• 09:05 – Choosing independence instead of outside pressure
• 17:48 – Keeping costs low so you have room to try things your way
• 19:57 – Why steady can beat getting bigger

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