Curiosity, humility, and controversial speakers

What if the skill that makes you a stronger leader is the same skill that protects free speech? In this episode, I’m joined by Greg Lukianoff, First Amendment attorney, to talk about emotional reasoning, why discomfort isn’t the same as danger, and what happens when we start treating speech as violence. Greg shares how his own battle with depression and suicidal thoughts led him to CBT and how learning to question his thoughts transformed both his mental health and his leadership. Get ready to rethink what makes us mentally strong and why protecting speech may also mean protecting our resilience.

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In this Episode, You Will Learn

00:00 How cognitive distortions shape modern mental health.

07:30 Why Gen X values free speech differently.

13:15 Why words can hurt and still must be protected.

17:45 When does harmful speech cross the line?

21:00 What we lose when speech is treated as violence.

27:00 What does the First Amendment actually protect?

32:00 The emotional cost of defending unpopular speech.

37:00 How depression reshaped Greg’s life and leadership.

41:30 Why CBT works for anxious achievers.

44:30 What is the connection between CBT and the mental health crisis among young people?

48:30 The 3 “great untruths” shaping modern anxiety.

51:45 Why great leaders stay intellectually humble.

55:00 Why meaningful work can stabilize mental health.

59:00 How to protect yourself from social media manipulation.

01:01:30 A CBT technique to challenge negative thoughts.

Resources + Links

Learn more about the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) HERE

Get your copy of The Coddling of the American Mind by Greg Lukianoff & Jonathan Haidt

Get a copy of my book - The Anxious Achiever

Watch the podcast on YouTube 

Find more resources on our website morraam.com

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Follow Greg: on LinkedIn @greglukianoff + Instagram @glukianoff