When Industries Are Too Unpredictable

In this incredible interview I spoke with legendary investor Bill Nygren, who has beaten the market over a 25 year period by around 200bps. This is an extremely hard and rare feat. In our wide-spanning conversation Bill tells us about everything from his investment process and valuation framework to how to value a cyclical business, the importance of management, investing lessons from Netflix & Meta, as well as what a lot of value investors get wrong. We even had time to talk about his Salesforce and Airbnb postions a bit. We hope you enjoy!

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Show Notes

(0:51) — Bill Nygren's Investment Philosophy (4:15) — Valuation Timeframe (9:22) — Is There a Thing as Fair Value? (12:19) — Investing in Banks (17:30) — Why Haven't We Had a Normal Recession? (18:43) — How to Value a Cyclical Business? (23:24) — How Confident Can You Be on Your Downside? (24:36) — Does the Quality of Management Matter? (26:28) — How Important is ROIC? (28:34) — Should an Investor Buy & Hold Forever? (39:21) — The Role of Talking to Management in Your Investment Process (41:54) — Research Process (44:54) — How to Gain Confidence in Your Research (49:08) — Investing Lessons From Meta & Netflix (1:03:48) — Portfolio Analyst Relationship (1:06:38) — Portfolio Diversification (1:10:06) — Salesforce and the AI Risks (1:13:64) — What to Do About Deferred Revenue in Software Stocks (1:17:26) — Why Bill Owns Airbnb Over Booking Holdings

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