Section 230 mistake and algorithm liability

Chuck Todd digs into the wreckage of the Illinois primary — where more than $50 million in outside money from crypto, AI, and AIPAC-linked groups flooded Democratic races — and asks what it means for the future of American democracy when PACs and outside groups are far outspending the actual campaigns they're trying to influence. He credits Stratton for being able to overcome the massive crypto onslaught — a rare and significant defeat for an industry that has been buying influence across both parties — but warns that her victory required a billionaire governor's financial backing to counteract billionaire-funded opposition, which only underscores the problem.

He traces the rot back to McCain-Feingold, arguing that the landmark campaign finance law inadvertently weakened the parties by decentralizing money, which in turn decentralized accountability — and that the Supreme Court's subsequent decisions let the situation spiral completely out of control. He calls out Chuck Schumer directly for caving to crypto money and pressuring his caucus to go along, notes that campaign finance reform feels like an unwinnable issue because the people who benefit from the current system are the ones who'd have to change it, He closes with a broader observation: with money deciding which candidates are viable before voters even weigh in, and with the country having produced three consecutive one-term presidents, American politics is likely to remain deeply unstable for years to come.

Former Oklahoma Congressman and now president of Americans for Responsible Innovation Brad Carson joins the Chuck Toddcast for a wide-ranging conversation about why AI may be the most consequential policy issue nobody in Washington is seriously addressing. They discuss why  Americans are uniquely pessimistic about AI compared to the rest of the world, and for good reason: huge AI money is pouring into races like the Illinois Senate primary where outside groups and PACs are far outspending actual campaigns, Elon Musk's Grok chatbot adopted a "MechaHitler" persona and is now integrated at the Pentagon, we have virtually no visibility into what's happening inside AI labs or how these systems are being deployed, and the same technology that could deliver incredible medical breakthroughs could also be used to develop bioweapons. Carson argues that immunizing tech companies with Section 230 was a massive mistake — the law passed before anyone understood how the technology would evolve — and that recommendation algorithms effectively make platforms publishers, meaning the Supreme Court has fundamentally misinterpreted the First Amendment when it comes to tech regulation. 

He makes the case that state-level regulation may be the more immediate solution given congressional dysfunction and warns that surveillance pricing — where companies like the Washington Post reportedly examined subscribers' credit reports when setting prices — seems blatantly unconstitutional. They contend that consumer protection for AI would be a winning political message for either party, that the electrical grid alone will need a trillion dollars in investment to support AI's energy demands, and that letting the private sector roll out this technology without guardrails is an enormous risk. 

Finally, he answers listeners’ questions in the “Ask Chuck” segment.

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Timeline:

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00:00: Chuck Todd’s introduction

02:15: AI & Pac money dominates the Illinois Primary

05:30: Campaign finance reform feels like an “unwinnable issue”

08:30 McCain-Feingold weakened the parties 

11:00 Chuck Schumer caves to huge crypto money

12:30 Illinois primary became Ground Zero for Donor-Centered Politics 

15:15 Juliana Stratton was able to overcome massive crypto donors.

16:45: Decentralizing money decentralized accountability

18:15 Money decides which candidates are viable

21:45 Should Democrats find their own billionaire?

26:30 U.S. politics likely to remain unstable, with multiple 1 term presidents

36:00 Rep. Brad Carson joins the Chuck ToddCast

38:30 Americans are uniquely pessimistic about AI

39:30 What is Americans for Responsible Innovation & who funds it?

41:15 Anthropic believes that AI needs reasonable guardrails

41:45 Huge AI money pouring into Illinois primary races

42:45 Outside groups & PACs are far outspending actual campaigns

44:15 Money is destroying democracy, SCOTUS let it get out of hand

45:45 Immunizing tech companies with Section 230 was a huge mistake

47:00 Courts need to develop common law for regulating tech

48:15 Recommendation algorithms make tech platforms a publisher

49:15 SCOTUS misinterpreted 1st amendment when regulating tech

50:15 Sec. 230 passed before knowing how the tech would evolve

51:30 State level regulation may be the more immediate solution

52:30 How do you determine which candidates to support?

54:00 The tech isn’t unpopular, it’s how it has interacted with U.S. politics

55:00 We know social media is bad for us, but can’t quit it

56:15 Congressional leadership has stood in the way of regulation

57:30 What’s a safer way to roll out AI regulation in a broken political system?

58:45 There are certain safeguards that must be built into AI models

59:30 Grok took on a “MechaHitler” persona & is integrated at the Pentagon

1:01:15 Letting the private sector roll out AI without regulation is a huge risk

1:02:00 We have no visibility into AI labs or how it’s being deployed

1:03:30 AI can be used for incredible medical advances… or bioweapons

1:05:30 Ron DeSantis is proposing an “AI Bill of Rights” in Florida

1:06:15 Surveillance pricing seems incredibly unconstitutional and illegal

1:07:00 Washington Post looked at subscribers’ credit reports when pricing

1:08:30 People deserve to know if AI is evaluating them when applying for jobs

1:10:00 We haven’t had enough debate around the AI issue

1:10:45 Who can be a trusted voice to lead the debate?

1:12:15 Consumer protection for AI would be a winning political message

1:14:30 Fear of AI job displacement & rising electricity prices at the forefront

1:15:45 The electrical grid will need a trillion dollars invested into it

1:17:15 The difference between Oklahoma Democrats & national ones?

1:19:45 The tribes have become the check on Republicans in Oklahoma

1:21:45 Ossoff & Buttigieg are two potential ‘28 Dems that stand out

1:22:45 Dems need to attack Trump for lying to base, rather than attack his voters

1:24:00 How did you like being the president of Tulsa University?

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