Cheaters can coexist with real gifts

When the dust settles after spiritual abuse and public scandal, is any of this charismatic stuff actually real—or should you walk away from it all for good? Many believers are asking hard questions: “If so much has been falsified, are all prophecies fake? Are healings just wishful thinking? How do I trust again?” In this episode of Remnant Radio, Joshua Lewis, Michael Rowntree and Michael Miller open up as pastors and fellow survivors of charismatic fallout to help you process the pain without abandoning the work of the Spirit.​

The hosts will examine:
-Can a “cheater” still give an accurate prophetic word?
-How do we discern between genuine Christian prophecy, demonic counterfeits, and pure manipulation?
-What do we do with verified healings or real words of knowledge that came through morally compromised ministries?
-How do we honor spiritual gifts without platforming abusive leaders or building new celebrity cultures?

This episode is deeply pastoral and aimed at those who feel spiritually disoriented, retraumatized, or jaded after charismatic abuse. If you’re struggling with charismatic ministry gone wrong, this is a safe space to process without being shamed for your doubts. You’ll hear how to move from gullibility, through cynicism, into true discernment—learning to separate God’s voice from human abuse, and the gifts of the Spirit from the sins of leaders.

0:00 – Introduction
1:53 – Pastoral scandal response
3:05 – Miller’s abuse testimony
4:00 – Josh’s prophetic trauma
7:18 – Gifts still real biblically
12:00 – Abuse across church offices
17:19 – Cheaters getting it right
19:48 – Four power sources
23:04 – Don’t trust exposed prophets
28:16 – Ordinary means of grace
30:56 – Healing and discernment process
36:01 – Submit gifts to God
39:18 – Final pastoral encouragement

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