Suicides of Goering and Kelly

Dr Kirk Honda interviews Jack El-Hai about his book, The Nazi and the Psychiatrist, which forms the basis for the newly released film Nuremberg, starring Russell Crowe. February 11, 2026

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00:00 Introducing Jack El-Hai, "The Nazi and the Psychiatrist", & "Nuremberg"
07:21 What was the relationship between Göring and Kelley?
20:24 What did Jack think about the film casting?
22:07 The deaths of Göring and Kelley
26:45 Should more people read the book today?
33:46 Why did Kelley spiral?


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