Returning to the relative after realization

Viivi Jokela is an awakening facilitator. She had a spontaneous awakening in 2022 which she subsequently integrated to reach abiding no-self realization. I find her descriptions of what she calls "the natural state", and the process by which it can be realized, to be incredibly accurate, and so it's a real pleasure to bring you my conversation with her today. We speak mainly about what it's like to go through no-self realization, as well as other aspects of awakening. https://www.sensingradiance.com/