Intro

David McCloskey says he was once a clandestine journalist. Another way of putting it is that he once worked for the CIA.

McCloskey is now a spy novelist. His first book took readers inside the CIA, now he is exploring Mossad, Israel and Iran in his new novel The Persian.

On Free State, he talks about the shadow war between Israel and Iran.

He explains what has happened to agencies like the CIA under Trump and why as more true Trump believers are appointed, the demand is not for truthful intelligence. They do not just believe what they see, they only see what they believe.

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