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#408: When Kiersten and Julian Saunders began dating in 2012, they fell in love quickly, and their relationship felt strong – until they started talking about money.

They broke up as a result of their first money conversation.

Luckily, they got back together, figured out how to have tough conversations, and paid off $200,000 in debt over the next five years.

Then they started thinking about how to hack their careers. They came up with a plan for a 15-year career.

Today, they join us on the podcast to talk about the 15-year career framework and how to approach your career - and your finances - in 5 year stints.

Timing of discussion points as per October 2022:

00:25: Introduction to Kiersten and Julien Saunders

02:05: The money conversation that changed everything

11:25: Examples of interaction patterns around money discussions

12:08: Tactics to continue difficult money conversations

16:18: Starting a 15-year career

17:48: The focus of the first five years: your financial foundation

18:17: Transitioning to the second five years and defining your super power at work

18:50: Building your exit plan in the last five years

22:57: Thinking about side hustles and the factors of urgency and upside

24:29: How does a person know how to make money

29:28: Maintaining momentum towards your goals over the 15 year time span

31:37: Is it possible to accelerate the 15 year timeline?

35:12: Thinking about risk after your career

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