Will models become conscious?

 I sat down with Dario Amodei in Bangalore. He built Claude, but he started as a biologist looking for a tool to cure disease. Today, he's at the helm of an AI revolution that he compares to a tsunami society is actively ignoring. We got into the heavy stuff: why Anthropic secretly withheld a working model before ChatGPT existed, whether AI is on the verge of consciousness, and if outsourcing our thinking is going to make humans measurably stupider. Dario makes the case that coding is a dying skill, critical thinking is our last real edge, and the absurd concentration of power in AI right now is a massive problem—even though he’s one of the people holding it.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction

06:13 Scaling laws explained simply

13:27 Trust, humility, and corporate motives

22:44 Using Claude personally, AI knowing you

31:03 Rich people criticizing their own system

37:05 India's role and IT partnerships

44:15 Will AI surpass humans at everything

50:17 Career advice for young Indians

56:38 Open source vs closed AI models

1:02:40 Biotech as the next big bet