William Clouston is the leader of the Social Democratic Party (SDP) in the United Kingdom and a member of the advisory board for Restore Britain.

In this conversation, William Clouston and I think out loud about the current state of British politics, focusing on the disconnect between government promises and actual governance. We explore:

The need for a cultural and civilisational vision beyond economics
The challenges posed by mass immigration for social democracy and defining remigration
The importance of governing in the national interest and what the national interest is
Whether Western European nations will be forced into ending mass immigration by the United States' National Security Strategy 2025
Lessons William Clouston has learned since entering politics

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About Thinking Class:
Thinking Class is a long-form interview podcast exploring the cultural, historical, and moral forces shaping England, Britain, and the wider Western world.

Hosted by John Gillam, the show features serious conversations with historians, academics, and independent thinkers.

Thinking Class is concerned with discovering long-term patterns over headlines and hot-takes. Expect historically-grounded analysis on matters of national character, institutions, demography, belief, and political legitimacy.

New episodes every week.

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