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S03E07: Thinking of it That Way - Monica Guzman

Dilemma Podcast

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The Ice Breaker

"I don't believe that going up to the surface level is a distraction from going deeper. I think it gives people a certain kind of psychological permission to do it." "We just have to be honest about the fact that across big divides there's so much distrust and so much fear and trepidation and hesitation, whether people show it or not," he says. 'If i buy into sort of your like, fine, find the superficial commonalities at least to start to get a smile'

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