The Ambivalence of the Bush-Rough State

I think it's actually really striking when you read their stuff about their sort of ambivalent language they use. I think there's a real even on their side a real ambivalence about not being ready to completely reject expansions of the existing bourgeois state. We saw very clearly under COVID that under certain circumstances it's actually possible to redirect public resources in a way that is serving the immediate interests of working people. This is equally important is legitimating a more conscious planning of the economy.