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We spend a lot of time trying to fix things—our schedules, our systems, our lives. But what if that instinct, that constant push to optimize, is actually pulling us away from something more essential?

In this PM Talks episode, Patrick Rhone and I explore what it means to be human in a world that increasingly treats us like machines. From travel and perspective to curiosity, ego, and even the power of doing nothing, this conversation leans into something deeper than productivity—it leans into presence.

Six Discussion Points

The instinct to “fix” everything can distance us from our humanity
Travel expands perspective by shifting us from transactional thinking to relational awareness
Much of what feels urgent today will be forgotten—humanness lives beyond immediacy
Curiosity is a distinctly human force that leads to better questions, not just better answers
Not every problem requires intervention—sometimes the most human response is restraint
Letting go of the need to be right (or have the last word) is a quiet but powerful act of maturity

Three Connection Points

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If there’s a thread running through this conversation, it’s this: being human isn’t about doing more—it’s about knowing when to step back. When we loosen our grip on control, we create space for curiosity, perspective, and even wonder. And in that space, we don’t just get more done—we begin to understand what’s worth doing at all.

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