Ukranians

Ucranians believe that could come within two years, it's actually not going to come probably for a decade. There are so many hoops you've got a jup through before you get anywhere near becoming a member state of the e u. Maybe it's time for you to be a little bit realistic about what ukrane can achieve and where europe is in terms of support for ukraine. And i do not see any other security guarantee, neither for ucrane nor basically for nato, besides ucrane joining nato. That will make both actors, both ukraine and nato, much stronger, for my perspective, and that's the only way