Outro

Go to http://expressvpn.com/hiddenthird to secure your online data and get up to four extra months.

At 14, Christian Picciolini was a lonely kid from an Italian immigrant family in Chicago when he was recruited into the Chicago Area Skinheads — one of America's first neo-Nazi skinhead groups. By 16, he was leading it. He fronted white power punk bands, helped merge his group with the violent Hammerskin Nation, opened a record store selling hate music, and toured Europe playing to thousands. For years, he recruited young men into a movement built on violence and fear.

Then something broke. In 1996, he walked away.

Today, Christian is one of the most important voices in the fight against extremism. He's the author of “White American Youth” and “Breaking Hate”, and has spent decades helping people leave hate groups — doing the painstaking, one-on-one work of deradicalization.

In this episode of THE HIDDEN THIRD, Christian joins me to unpack how radicalization actually works: the loneliness, the emotional hooks, the sense of belonging, the slow normalization of hate — and the personal unraveling that comes when your entire identity is built around an ideology designed to destroy. We talk about what pulled him in, what finally pushed him out, what extremism looks like today — and why, in the right conditions, almost anyone can be recruited into something they never imagined.

Subscribe for more conversations from the underworld.

ABOUT THE HIDDEN THIRD: From Emmy and Peabody Award–winning journalist Mariana van Zeller comes THE HIDDEN THIRD, a weekly dive into the underground markets that quietly power a third of the global economy. Every episode, Mariana sits down with people who know these worlds firsthand - the hustlers, smugglers, scammers, kingpins, and those trying to shut them down. The series reveals how they function, why they endure, and the profound ways they impact us all.

THE HIDDEN THIRD:

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoCiI8nJacn8gDiHxr6aQGA

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehiddenthirdpodcast

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-hidden-third/id1845989117

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3n1BBoj3BgVuEYaiZ6SotF

MARIANA:

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mariana_vanzeller
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marianavz

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices