Turbine 33, MH-47 Decisions, and the Shootdown

This episode features in-depth discussions with journalists Ed Darack and Ross Schneiderman on Operation Red Wings, exploring the mission's planning, execution, and the myths surrounding it. Gain insights into military decision-making, communication failures, and the importance of accurate reporting. This in-depth interview with Ed Darack and Ross Schneiderman unpacks the complexities, myths, and realities of Operation Red Wings, exploring the tactical details, misperceptions, and lessons learned from this pivotal military event.
Ed's website
http://opredwings.com/
Politico article
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/03/20/operation-red-wings-lone-survivor-luttrell-00833548

Today's Sponsors:
GhostBed⬇️
https://www.ghostbed.com/house
FOR 10% off! 
Blue Chew ⬇️
https://bluechew.com/
Get 1 month free when you buy 2 of BlueChew Gold with code "HOUSECALL"
Wild Alaskan Company⬇️
https://wildalaskan.com/HOUSE 
Get $35 off your first order!
Good Ranchers ⬇️
https://www.goodranchers.com/
Get $25 off your first order with the code "HOUSE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For ad free video and audio and access to live streams and Eyes On Geopolitics...JOIN OUR PATREON! 
https://www.patreon.com/c/TheTeamHouse
To help support the show and for all bonus content including:
-live shows and asking guest questions 
-ad free audio and video
-early access to shows
-Access to ALL bonus segments with our guests
Subscribe to our Patreon! ⬇️
https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse
Support the show here:⬇️
https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse
___________________________________________________
PRE ORDER JACK'S NEW BOOK "THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN" 
⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/803651/the-most-dangerous-man-by-jack-murphy/paperback/
Subscribe to the new EYES ON podcast here:⬇️
https://www.youtube.com/@EyesOnGeopoliticsPod/featured
__________________________________
Jack Murphy's new book "We Defy: The Lost Chapters of Special Forces History" ⬇️
https://www.amazon.com/We-Defy-Chapters-Special-History-ebook/dp/B0DCGC1N1N/
——————————————————————
Or make a one time donation at: ⬇️
https://ko-fi.com/theteamhouse
Social Media: ⬇️
The Team House Instagram:
https://instagram.com/the.team.house?utm_medium=copy_link
The Team House Twitter:
https://twitter.com/TheTeamHousePod
Jack’s Instagram:
https://instagram.com/jackmcmurph?utm_medium=copy_link
Jack’s Twitter:
 https://twitter.com/jackmurphyrgr?s=21
Dave’s Twitter: 
https://twitter.com/dave_parke?s=21
Team House Discord: ⬇️
https://discord.gg/wHFHYM6
SubReddit: ⬇️
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheTeamHouse/
Jack Murphy's memoir "Murphy's Law" can be found here:⬇️
 https://www.amazon.com/Murphys-Law-Journey-Investigative-Journalist/dp/1501191241
The Team Room Reading Room (Amazon Affiliate links):⬇️
 https://jackmurphywrites.com/the-team-room-reading-room/
Intro music by https://www.youtube.com/user/RemixSample
"Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio"

00:00 — Start
02:00 — How Ross & Ed teamed up and started re-reporting Red Wings
06:00 — The “Red Wings misinformation” problem and evolving narratives
08:00 — Memory vs reality: how the movie shaped what people think happened
10:00 — SEAL community silence, moral injury, and buried truth
14:30 — What was “held inside”: doubts about Lone Survivor’s accuracy
18:00 — The Lone Survivor book: White House involvement & narrative shaping
22:00 — Hollywood vs reality: how myths about the war were created
25:00 — Mission planning failures: Marines vs SEALs concept of the operation
30:00 — Why the plan changed: ISR limits, frustration, and the 4-man team decision
34:00 — Command & control problems and lack of joint integration
38:00 — No real QRF: confusion between units, aircraft, and responsibilities
42:00 — The helicopter shootdown and ad hoc rescue attempt
57:00 — The ambush: terrain disadvantage and what actually happened
01:02:00 — Enemy force size: myth vs reality (small element, not hundreds)
01:08:00 — Apache response controversy and breakdown in coordination
01:12:00 — What the battle video actually shows (and what’s false online)
01:18:00 — Timeline reconstruction: SIGINT, video, and primary sources
01:24:00 — Broader impact: misinformation, trust, and military credibility
01:31:00 — Lessons learned: Tillman, Jessica Lynch, and institutional trust
01:33:00 — Final thoughts: why the real story never needed embellishment

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support.