NFTs, Pudgy Penguins, and tokenization thesis

Bobby Ong is the co-founder and CEO of CoinGecko, the crypto data platform he bootstrapped with $200 over 12 years - no VC money, no shortcuts.

In this episode, Bobby reveals why most crypto founders are destined to fail, how he caught employees taking bribes for listings, and what it really takes to survive in an industry designed to destroy you.

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DISCLAIMER

The info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.

0:00 Intro

1:40 Please Subscribe

2:06 Kevin’s Transition Into When Shift Happens

4:36 Who Is Bobby Ong?

5:34 The Decision Process Around Switching CEOs

7:27 What Attracted Bobby To Bitcoin In 2013

13:36 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz @sumsub

14:47 Where Bobby’s Fire In The Belly Comes From

16:26 Where This Risk Taking Attitude Comes From

18:37 The Tech Guys Bobby Was Following To Learn About Crypto

20:13 How Do You Explain Your Co-Founder Sticking Around 12 Years Later

22:45 Where Do You Think Good Values Vibe From?

23:59 What’s The Deal With Pudgy Penguins

25:05 Bobby’s View On NFTs In 2026

27:14 Who Would Be The Future Winners On Asset Appreciation

29:15 What Did The First $200 CoinGecko Look Like

30:26 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest @SuiNetwork

31:23 History Of Bobby’s Work While Building CoinGecko

33:03 Short Term vs Long Term Thinking In Crypto Discussion 

35:12 2017 You Went All In On CoinGecko

36:22 Four Year Bitcoin Cycle & Surviving

50:16 Explain CoinGecko To Your Mom

50:45 Why Is CoinGecko Called CoinGecko

1:26:44 Is #1 CoinMarketCap Not Playing The Trust Game

1:27:13 How Does A User Decide Between Coin Market Gap & CoinGecko

1:28:51 Where Does CoinMarketCap Excel

1:30:00 Why Didn’t Zash The Company You Acquired Work Out

1:35:31 Red Flags In Acquisitions Founders Miss

1:39:10 Best Moment To Sell

1:40:10 Closing Thoughts