Outro

Tony Abbott served as Australia's 28th Prime Minister from 2013 to 2015. He is a Rhodes Scholar and among the most polarising and consequential figures in modern Australian political history. 

Rather than writing a series of memoirs detailing the turbulent years before, during and after his leadership of Australia, he instead, wanted to re-introduce a pride for Australia's history which he is afraid 'the black armband view of history' has erased. 

Tony makes the case that Australians have far more to be proud of than ashamed.

His book is called 'Australia: A History' and tells the story of a not so long ago Australia. The evolution of Australia post 1788. Tony's speculated origins for Australia's egalitarianism. How settlers and convicts ending up working together  to create the institutions that endure through till today. And all the meanwhile, not ignoring the devastating consequences the English expansion into Australia had to the indigenous Australian's who were here as long as 60,000 years before. 

This interview would be good to listen to alongside my interview with Robyn Davidson. They aren't two different idea's of history, but rather two differently sympathetic perspectives on an Australia both have travelled widely and thoughtfully. 

Link's To Tony Abbott

• Australia: A History

This is a summary of what was covered in the interview today. 

• [00:00] — The Black Armband view of history? Abbott defines the term and stakes out his "glass half full" position on Australian history.
• [01:50] — Ryan pushes back: did Abbott downplay frontier conflict? 
• [03:59] — The Myall Creek Massacre, the legal scandal of the first acquittal, the fury it sparked, and the eventual hanging of seven perpetrators.
• [06:03] — How short Australian post-1788 history actually is. 
• [08:35] — Peter Thiel's stagnation thesis 
• [12:08] — What evidence does Abbott see of Australians being ashamed of their history? 
• [15:09] — Ryan offers a different read: most Australians are curious about history, not ashamed of it.
• [18:43] — Why isn't Australian history dramatised more on screen? 
• [20:19] — Finding Nemo point: great fiction drives engagement more than philanthropy or think tanks. 
  [21:04] — Mark Twain visited Australia and described Sydney as "an English city with American energy." Abbott loves the line.
• [24:47] — The convict origins of Australian egalitarianism. 
• [27:26] — What made the early governors enforce the rule of law rather than create their own tyranny? 
• [31:56] — Overrated / Underrated (Tyler Cowen's question). 
• [35:05] — Indonesia. Why don't we have deeper cultural ties with a neighbour of 300 million? 
• [39:13] — Serendipity vs. Providence. 

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