Deep Copying to Discover Coherence

All links and transcript available at dialectic.fm/celine-nguyen

Celine Nguyen (Website, Substack, X) is a writer, software designer at Watershed, and literary critic. She writes personal canon, a newsletter about literature, design, art, and technology that has grown to tens of thousands of subscribers. She has also written for The Atlantic, Asterisk Magazine, and more.

I discovered Celine with her reflection on two years of writing her newsletter, where she made the case for living a life of the mind, reading great things, and writing online:

"After 2 years, I’m convinced that reading and writing are the most dignified and worthy activities that anyone can do—and, in fact, are activities that everyone should do."

She also has written viral essays on research as a leisure activity and a case for reading Marcel Proust’s 3,000 page novel, In Search of Lost Time. In another favorite, she critically analyzes the mechanics of how great writers begin. Celine makes intellectual life and very serious books feel accessible and exciting rather than obligatory.

We spoke about much of her writing, taking your intellectual growth seriously outside of academia, and how she has become an influencer in a good way. She believes you can expand the market for what you love, and her success is evidence that there is a market for more than the low-hanging fruit that dominates much of the internet. Celine sees reading and writing through the lens of becoming, and I was inspired to raise my own bar. I hope you can say the same.

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Timestamps:

• (0:00) Opening Highlights
• (1:35) Intro to Celine
• (4:25) Thanks to Notion
• (6:18) Start: Pursuing a Life of the Mind, Personal Curriculum, and Contextualizing the Present in History
• (24:53) Research as a Leisure, Self-Cultivation, and Calibrating Rigor
• (39:59) Effectiveness, Tools & Process, and Letting Output Drive Your Learning
• (59:35) Parasocially Influencing People to Do Good Things (Like Reading and Writing)
• (1:09:39) Drawing the Reader in and Expanding the Market for What You Love (and for Proust)
• (1:24:07) Aspiration, Posing, and Pretending Your Way into Enthusiasm
• (1:34:37) Preparation is Not Progress
• (1:46:07) Copying, Writing Process, Mechanics, and Design
• (1:57:25) Commitment, Finishing, Substack, Life Extension and Closing
• (2:18:31) Thanks Again to Notion