The Importance of Good Leadership

Episode 138 is education and leadership with Yavgenya Grindlow and Melissa Perry. It's actually a two-parter. We recorded it in Lisbon, UXLX. They'd been chatting to Jenny Melissa the night before on a boat,. On a boat, if I remember correctly. And then we pulled them in to have a chat with them while recording. That was one of our first two partners. There are two wonderful women in design who I'm not going to lift them because they do really good stuff.