Two economies: tangible vs intangible

Kai Wu is the founder and chief investment officer of Sparkline Capital, a former GMO and Harvard-trained investor whose pioneering research on intangible assets — intellectual property, brand equity, human capital, and network effects — is redefining how value investors measure what companies are truly worth.

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