Playing to Win Framework

In this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ Gustafson sits down with Angela Chen, former CFO of The North Face and Mars Veterinary Health, to unpack how finance leaders build and scale iconic consumer brands. Angela shares how to measure brand equity, why the CFO should act as an architect of growth, and how capital, talent, and strategy connect inside a scaling business. They also get into humanistic leadership, consumer-margin tradeoffs, and what a 39-cent Taco Bell taco can teach finance teams about growth.

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LINKS: 

Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN

Guest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/angelachensf/

Company: https://sku.is/

CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/

Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com

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TIMESTAMPS:

0:00 Preview and intro

2:45 Measuring brand equity

5:09 CFO as architect of growth

7:11 Connecting money, ideas, and talent

7:52 North Face vs. Mars: where to invest

10:52 Sponsors — Aleph | RightRev | Rillet

14:14 Scaling North Face 5x without diluting the brand

16:31 From technical brand to lifestyle brand

19:30 Quality of revenue

21:49 Seasonality and Q4 concentration

24:01 Sponsors — EY | SpendHound | Brex

27:14 Retailers shouldn't own factories

31:30 Supply chain and 18-month product cycles

33:23 Humanistic leadership in finance

34:32 Purpose and profit are mutually reinforcing

36:15 Purpose vs. profit in public companies

38:05 Playing to Win framework

39:47 Operational cadence and the gas gauge

43:02 Killing bad projects: the battery jacket story

44:16 Taco Bell and 39-cent margins

47:10 Lightning round

47:36 Screwed up: hiring on credentials

48:27 Advice to younger self: network is the work

50:07 Craziest expense story: snowcat ski trip

50:50 Credits