Universal basic income and citizen work

The audio is a little sketchy. And perhaps not just the audio. I had a nice time talking with Blake who is someone I banned from an online space.

His "right-wing trolling" and "problematic behavior" upset a lot of folks. Partly legitimately and partly, perhaps, because developmental, spiritual and integrative spaces may have an allergy to conservatism.

Is meta-conservatism even possible? What is a right-wing pluralist or integralist? And more importantly, what does it take to have more complex discussions among people who have different combinations of political values and concerns?