135: The Persuaders (w/Anand Giridharadas)
Conspirituality
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The Science Communicator, Anat Shankar Osorio
Anat Shankar Osorio is one of the stars of the book, and people really love and connect with her as a character. We need those who want good things for us to have at least as sophisticated an understanding of how people actually are as people who want to manipulate and lie and cheat and dupe. There's a lot of problem porn on the left. The world is ending. Also Trump is coming back. People are all set for problems. To the extent that you are like a traveling salesman of problems as a movement it's not that attractive to people.
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