When to End a Shutdown: Principle Versus Pain

Sam Stein is joined by Sen. Chris Murphy live in Austin, TX to talk the Epstein files fight, Trump’s threats to democracy and abuse of pardons, shutdown politics, and how Democrats should respond. Plus, an audience Q&A on AI, gun violence, and rebuilding a broad pro-democracy coalition.

NOTE: There are a few moments when the recording cuts out. We apologize for these issues.