Takeaways from touring Leap of Faith

This is our unabridged interview with Nicholas Ma.

What if the goal of disagreement isn’t to win, but to stay in relationship?

After producing the smash hit documentary “Won’t You Be My Neighbor,” on the life of Fred Rogers, filmmaker Nicholas Ma had one lingering question: Where is the kindness and acceptance that Mr. Rogers embodied in today’s divided world? He found the answer in his latest documentary, Leap of Faith, which follows 12 pastors as they navigate the deep theological and cultural challenges that divide them. Nicholas discusses the process of making the film, the unlikely friendships that developed, and the quiet power of sitting with another person’s pain.

Key Ideas:

-Love Beyond Understanding

True friendship grows when we learn to love the parts in others that we cannot understand.

-Stay Present in Pain

Transformation often begins not by fixing or debating, but by sitting with another’s pain and bearing witness together.

-Choose Relationship Over Certainty

Clinging to certainty can make our worldview fragile, while embracing the unknown creates space for growth, faith, and connection.

-Endure the Process of Change

Meaningful change requires time; like any deep human process, it cannot be rushed without losing its depth.

-Practice Proximate Care

Human flourishing begins locally—by loving our neighbors well and cultivating communities of care where we are.

⁠⁠Show Notes, Resources, and Transcript⁠ for abridged episode with Nicholas Ma⁠⁠

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